Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 992456)

Chaos? Negotiations were off and on for 5 months.

A few more questions then I'm going to bed:

1) What percent was going to the targeted NW guys prior to the merger? Answer: 5%
2) What percent was going to the non targeted NW guys prior to the merger? Answer: 5%
3) What percent is going to the targeted NW guys now? Answer: 8%
4) What percent is going to the non targeted NW guys now? Answer 8%

If your argument is that the non targeted guys need more DC, because they don't have a DB or the MP3, why didn't you guys give them more in the first place, before the merger ever occurred?:confused:

I'm bored, and moving on. Talk to you later.

Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 992434)

Let's hope so, your rationale doesn't make much sense to me. ;)

And I'm not a C20 guy, so no idea where the resolution would be found. But as for the issue, let me try again. ALL of the NWA guys had a DC plan - some were targeted, some were not. ALL of the DAL guys had a DC plan - none were targeted. EVERYONE got a 1% increase in 2010, EVERYONE got another 1% increase in 2011, and EVERYONE gets another 1% increase in 2012. That seems like the ultimate fair deal to me. ALL of the NWA guys were gonna reach parity either during 2012 or at the end of 2012, depending on the DB funding. That seems like the ultimate fair deal to me, at least among the NWA guys. We could argue that DC parity should have been on day 1, but its my understanding your MEC demanded pay parity, and DAL was unwilling to do both. I could be wrong.

Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 992434)

Now, a tiny sliver of NWA guys get parity before all of their counterparts.

Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 992434)

Then this is even sillier. If the gate agent isn't honoring seniority among employees when assigning seats that's wrong, and should be fixed. But if pilots haven't checked in by 30 minutes early, whose fault is that? Get there 10 minutes earlier and check in. THEN if you don't get assigned seats properly, call your rep.

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 992569)

Ya'll still think longevity pay is a bad idea? What's the trickle down on this gonna be? How many paycuts will result?

Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 992439)

Hey Ed, so you get 3% less DC than a DAL new hire?

How many merger equity shares did he get compared to you?

Just curious.

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 992642)

So we make less then are pre merger DAL counter parts, & that's fair?



Explain to me how making the same amount of $$$ is pay parity? You scream unity, but absolutely fail to support it in this instance. You know that we were hostages in this situation. We were on probation, & unable to vote on the PWA. We didnt even have the opportunity to elect thise who represented us. Now we simply ask to be brought to pay equal to rest of our fellow pilots, & you call it pay parity? Some unity. :confused:





These are the words of a lineholder who is out of touch with the reserve world. Fact of the matter is I've had scheduling build a DH on the last flight of the night that is a connection of less then 30 minutes. DAL DH's reserves more then any airline I know. I saw a friend on reserve DH DTW-ATL-CHS, then fly CHS-ATL, then DH ATL-DTW. That was a day trip. Tight connections on oversold planes. We need a better system.

Originally Posted by Amish Pilot (Post 992655)

Approved Personal Drop Vs Personal Drop? What's the difference? Can someone point me in the right direction, I am looking to drop a trip if I get screwed on my schedule next month. Thanks

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 992659)

You have either forgotten or simply are choosing to omit the ongoing funding requirements for the NWA defined benefit plan. That is the reason there was no parity at Day 1. The funding requirements are huge for the DB plan. When all the NWA pilots are on the same DC plan as the Delta pilots there will still be a large funding requirement to the DB plan. In the end the former NWA pilots will be getting a larger share of each dollar Delta spends for pilot retirements.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 991516)

Um let's put it this way, I could not get comfortable in the sucker. The seats were very close together. Literally I could not get to my seat without using putting one leg on the seat pans themselves.

It does have a wider cross section, but the 88 has more leg room. The seats themselves are better made though. Overall a better design, but man that back end wags more than a 757/767. Ugh.