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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 993164)
That was the case in 2005. It was not the case in many other years. It's all history if you care to research it. Enjoy your Kool-aid today.
Carl
Originally Posted by Ernest K. Gann, Fate is the Hunter
Now, as Ross runs up the engines, I remove the safety pin from the gear lever. I watch Ross anxiously. I am pathetically eager to perform my co-pilot's duties quickly and efficiently. As he shoves the throttles forward and we start down the runway, I place my hand ready on the gear lever. I feel the tail lift. I bend down and slightly forward, my eyes fixed on Ross's hand, waiting for the signal. I believe that we already have good speed, but I am watching his hand, not the indicator. His hand moves as if to leave the throttles. Take-off noise level in a DC-3 cockpit is terrific. I am certain Ross has called 'Gear Up!' I yank up the gear lever."'Jesus! Man!'
"Ross fights the control wheel, jockeying it desperately. "I glance at the air speed,.... and yelled, thank God we're about to crash our own airplane because J.D. Powers says service on Northwest sucks." |
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 993165)
Who's decision is that Bar? Are you trying to excuse management's decisions to run their company this way?
Carl |
Originally Posted by newKnow
(Post 993084)
The old, "If you don't like it, you can leave" response.
I've always hated that proposition. The world gets better because people don't like things, voice their displeasure, then rally around making change. Find another gig? Live longer? I'm glad George Washington, John Adams and the rest of the Framers didn't take similar advice. ;) Great post. Anger is generally one of the first motivators for change. It is how you direct that anger that matters. |
In terms of the discussion about DAL/NWA of ole and of today reminds me of Saturday Night Live in the sense that you always think the old casts are better than the new casts until the new casts are in the past and then you lament on how good the past cast was.
Truth is, most of a SNL show is not funny and for as long as I can remember only the first few skits are any good. So that makes you look back at the highlights of previous shows and say "man, it was so much more funny then." But that's because you're not having to watch the whole episode which is why back then you said "this show sucks, I wonder if they're going to cancel it?" So the highlights gloss over a lot, but on the flip side, the highlights make you appreciate how good you had it and that you didn't fully appreciate it. So it cuts both ways. Kind of like airlines. Airline day-to-day operations are always going to suck and probably always have. Looking back, it will look better than now but the question is because we remember the highlights which were evidently really good. But are we not realizing how good we've got it now, relatively speaking? I don't get wedded to any management team or enjoy kool-aid because they come and go. We don't. That said, I think one day we'll have a new management team and wish we had RA at the helm. I think we'll look back and see it was fun being on the upswing, say early 1990s Braves, and even though we didn't have a World Series win in our hands yet it was a good time. Or so I hope, and why not hope because like SNL, it's really is just a matter of what attitude we wish to take. So today while pilots before me still deal with the ramifications of 40-50% pay cuts, while IROPS is woefully mismanaged, while dinosaur tendencies of a nearly century old company(ies) creep in to where they don't belong and while D0 initiatives leave you scratching your head wondering how do you not understand that this can be solved via the ACARS, I still think it's pretty damn good now. And in 2008, I thought it was a good idea to merge, I bought in. In 2040-2050 if blessed to make it that long and retire here, I'll still think it was a great idea to merge Northwest and Delta... and I'll still look at the DC-9-50 and MD-88s running around and say hell yeah! It's really just an observation of mine, nothing more. |
Originally Posted by jiminmem
(Post 993155)
On to another topic. I know this has only been brought up a million times, but are there are bags people have found that are good replacements for the flight case. I tried my computer bag on my last trip, but found it didn't quite work the way I had hoped.
Not sure what will work on the 9, but most of the international guys I fly with, myself included, use the tote that the FA's carry. The negative it does not have dividers in it, but it works well. I had one Capt tell me there is a soft shell type of flight case that resembles the FA bag. It is on sale at Crew Outfitters (A Spine in ATL maybe Stopover in MSP) It works well and allows me to carry two bags on trips shorter than 8 days. |
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 993138)
That's the pay RATE part of the equation. When you add the much higher insurance premiums, lower line values and the worse work rules, it adds up to a significantly lower W-2, and lower take home for many of us northies. 2010 was the first year I made the same at Delta as I did in my last year at NWA.
Again, not complaining because we NWA pilots voted for the contract. But the facts are what they are. Most NWA pilots took a significant pay cut with this merger, and we are now just getting to break even. If you would read his original post he is lamenting the reserve guarantee and how he is losing money. (by the way I think our reserve guarantee is too low also) So lower line values don't come into play. I fly out of NYC on the ER. I don't know how many fNWA guys I see now a days that couldn't hold international prior to the merger and now can. Most the of the guys I've been seeing were relegated to the A320 and now are jetting around Europe. One guy who is over halfway up the ER FO list in NYC, was flying Dublin, when I asked him why would someone so senior be flying a low paying Dublin route his answer was "I want to go to the all the places that we, meaning fNWA, never flew". So yeah I see how he is taking a paycut too. You are in the unevnviabe position of being in the largest paying aircraft before we merged. A lot of fNWA guys ARE making more than what they used to because of the availability of more higher paying aircraft positions. Where as before they could only hold the A320 or maybe the 757 now they have access to a lot of other aircraft that pay significantly more than what they were flying premerger. Hell the 737-800, which has a payrate out of whack with the rest of the aircraft we have, paid more than anything on the NWA side other than the A330 and larger. So you may be correct on your pay assessment because you don't have the ability to both get a payrate raise and an aircraft size raise. That is not the case with a lot of your former pilots. |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 993187)
Not sure what will work on the 9, but most of the international guys I fly with, myself included, use the tote that the FA's carry. The negative it does not have dividers in it, but it works well. I had one Capt tell me there is a soft shell type of flight case that resembles the FA bag. It is on sale at Crew Outfitters (A Spine in ATL maybe Stopover in MSP)
It works well and allows me to carry two bags on trips shorter than 8 days. |
Speaking of merging Northwest and Delta, I often wonder this and I'll throw it out for discussion but why didn't we come up with a 3rd name?
Now I majored in marketing, I love reading about marketing, I love studying marketing, I know the rules. I know what "they" say about changing logos, names, brand recognition, the 5 P's, and everything else but a 3rd name would've given them a clean sheet even if they didn't change a single thing they've done thus far from centralizing management in ATL, FF programs, SOC via DAL ops first then best practices and so on. You could've looked at both sides of the merger and said from this day forward, we're moving forward as [ ] Air Lines, it's all new. Neither airlines past owns the future and thus, let's be all in. Hey customers and HVCs, remember those things you liked about Delta and Northwest, we've kept them, the things that made you said you'd never ever fly on this airline again, those are all gone. Remember the one thing about marketing plans, you don't explain them you implement them. :D I mean is it right to end the proud heritage of Delta? But we ended Northwest. It'd been better if neither would ever end but life happens. Just a thought and probably a moot or moo point when we become "Skyteam Airlines by Delta" and you fly in to Paris and are following an A380 'company traffic' flown by AF. http://iloapp.liladesign.com/blog/av...1239481567.jpg Hell you could've named it Pan Am. The Helga's up in JFK would've been reduced to tears in the fetal position on that less than clean terminal floor. No longer could they say every other hour on an ER trip to Europe "by the way, I was Pan Am for 15 years and Delta doesn't know how to..." They'd have to say, I was RPA, Real Pan Am. :D |
Yeah, I got a raise, and I got to move to a base that's closer to home. My paycheck is still thoroughly underwhelming. How about we focus on fixing that for everyone instead of arguing over who got the most tablescraps?
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 993193)
Speaking of merging Northwest and Delta, I often wonder this and I'll throw it out for discussion but why didn't we come up with a 3rd name?
Now I majored in marketing, I love reading about marketing, I love studying marketing, I know the rules. I know what "they" say about changing logos, names, brand recognition, the 5 P's, and everything else but a 3rd name would've given them a clean sheet even if they didn't change a single thing they've done thus far from centralizing management in ATL, FF programs, SOC via DAL ops first then best practices and so on. You could've looked at both sides of the merger and said from this day forward, we're moving forward as [ ] Air Lines, it's all new. Neither airlines past owns the future and thus, let's be all in. Hey customers and HVCs, remember those things you liked about Delta and Northwest, we've kept them, the things that made you said you'd never ever fly on this airline again, those are all gone. Remember the one thing about marketing plans, you don't explain them you implement them. :D I mean is it right to end the proud heritage of Delta? But we ended Northwest. It'd been better if neither would ever end but life happens. Just a thought and probably a moot or moo point when we become "Skyteam Airlines by Delta" and you fly in to Paris and are following an A380 'company traffic' flown by AF. http://iloapp.liladesign.com/blog/av...1239481567.jpg Hell you could've named it Pan Am. The Helga's up in JFK would've been reduced to tears in the fetal position on that less than clean terminal floor. No longer could they say every other hour on an ER trip to Europe "by the way, I was Pan Am for 15 years and Delta doesn't know how to..." They'd have to say, I was RPA, Real Pan Am. :D |
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