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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 992724)
To his credit, the bus does wiggle a lot more than the 737 or 757. I always assumed it had to do with some sort of relaxed stability to save more fuel.
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
(Post 992952)
OK - here we go, one more time.
That is simply wrong. Trust me, this was not an oversight. ALL NWA pilots entered the merger with the DC contribution rate in place prior to the merger, including you guys. I agree completely with you here, and disagree with the OP of this comment. BINGO! You got the merger equity shares by agreeing to the PWA and SLI. And a part of that comprehensive package was the flat DC and a nice pay raise. No - I've never sued the union and never will. Not management either. That was part of the PWA, and yes, I think it's fair. Because the NWA guys got an hourly rate pay raise with the merger, and DAL guys did not, as your rates were harmonized on Day 1 with the DAL rates. See the post below from sailingfun for some historical perspective on previous mergers. You are being treated EXACTLY as EVERY other former NWA pilot is being treated. EVERY NWA pilot currently "receives" 8% DC. For some, it goes into the targeting matrix and is reallocated under that formula; for you guys, it is paid directly to you. EVERY NWA guy. Every one. Not one is getting more than that; but the entire NWA group will be harmonized under the terms of the PWA on 12/31/12. What you are asking is for 200 NWA guys to get harmonized earlier than ALL of your fellow NWA pilots. As I told Ed, those merger equity shares were in the same contract as your DC rates. It was all one big package. ALPA tried to get harmonization of pay AND DC on Day 1. They were unsuccessful. YOUR MEC made the choice to harmonize pay, and let DC (for ALL NWA pilots) harmonize on 12/31/12. That was their decision. Banana, who is telling you this? It is a complete lie. This did NOT "fall through the crack". It was not "an error". And finally, I leave you with this historically accurate quote from sailingfun, who says it better than I could: How many crowd control experts did you cut and paste from? Nu |
Originally Posted by nwaf16dude
(Post 993198)
Yeah, I got a raise, and I got to move to a base that's closer to home. My paycheck is still thoroughly underwhelming. How about we focus on fixing that for everyone instead of arguing over who got the most tablescraps?
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 992724)
To his credit, the bus does wiggle a lot more than the 737 or 757. I always assumed it had to do with some sort of relaxed stability to save more fuel.
My last tour of duty in a EADS aircraft left me impressed with how they figured out were structure (weight) was needed and where it was not. |
I think FTB is about right with his SNL analogy. I’ve also been thinking about it some since I’ve moved into a southie base.
As some background, I’ve watched a few other mergers across a couple other industries. I’m not trying to sound like the dude from the mentalist, but it seems to me that some things are just natural when people go through this. My sister is a big wig in the Wells Fargo fraud department and they did the merger with Wachovia. I’ve also got a buddy who went to work for a high end security company after he retired as a senior USAF security guy. His company did high end intel work with such groups as LA SWAT/PD and others around the country. His company was bought out by a Washington beltway bandit company when it’s founder cashed out and headed for beaches in the south Pacific. All he would ever say (never complains about anything) is the new guys went out of their way to be good $hits but they never let you forget who was who. My sister now works for a woman from Wachovia and readily admits that their fraud program was more involved/mature than Wells Fargo’s but also complains how Wachovia people are always whining about things. So, here is my observation. I think it’s natural that the absorber is grateful that they are the survivor to the point that they feel it must have been because they really were better. The absorber slides along a continuum between superiority to downright arrogance. The absorbed slides along a line between nostalgia/feeling like an orphan to downright disregard of anything and everything new company. I normally just keep my mouth shut anymore and smile and wave. Every captain I’ve flown with on the south side has been fun to fly with, but there is that air of superiority that can wear one down after many days. For sure, I’m tired of “proving myself” for the first couple of legs. But, I’ll tell ya the flight attendants are the worst. I can’t tell ya how many “aren’t you glad you’re here now”? I’ve gotten to how “you guys” (maybe not me personally) are screwing me over (worst I’ve had was a exWestern dude that was our lead to LHI last trip). I think the best way to put it we all used to complain about our pre merger companies, lord knows NWA inc was not a nice company to work for. As guys have pointed out, Delta under your last two CEOs wasn’t a nice company either. But, “DON’T TALK BAD ABOUT MY MOMMA! I CAN TALK BAD ABOUT MY MOMMA BUT YOU CANT!”:D So, everyone (me included) need to lighten up. Probably not human nature but........ Especially the HATERS, on both sides. |
Originally Posted by nwaf16dude
(Post 993198)
Yeah, I got a raise, and I got to move to a base that's closer to home. My paycheck is still thoroughly underwhelming. How about we focus on fixing that for everyone instead of arguing over who got the most tablescraps?
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Ferd;
Another merger or acquisition will take care of all of that! :eek: |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 993234)
Ferd;
Another merger or acquisition will take care of all of that! :eek: |
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 993235)
When's Alaska start hiring? With what I'm hearing, we need to go on leave, get hired there, then get merged so we can be senior to ourselves.
I think they are recalling everyone and starting to hire. As for a SLI, it is all speculation until we have to deal with it. Umm Merger Committee. :p |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 993238)
I think they are recalling everyone and starting to hire. As for a SLI, it is all speculation until we have to deal with it. Umm Merger Committee. :p
If you look at past conduct, we'll buy Alaska for billions, strip them of all common sense and profitability, deny their pilots perform "Delta" flying, dilute their flying through outsourcing and sell the remainder for hundreds of thousands, pay someone else to do their work, then declare bankruptcy ourselves. Just saying, that's how we've done it in the past. |
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