Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 992837)

Denny,

Wisely said. There are a lot of inequities in this career - not much we can do about it. How about the poor guy who turned 60 a week before the age 65 was passed - he and all his peers were effectively boned. Just as the guys who turned 60 one week after the rule change effectively received a 5 year windfall. Fair - Hell no, but as a wise man once said, "...That's just the way it is."

Besides - did I just go through a warp in the space-time continuum? Whats all this North-South B.S.? Am I back in 2009? Look around guys, we all took it up the pooper (so to speak). :eek:

Scoop

Originally Posted by Ed Harley (Post 992878)

I guess some of you guys just don't get it, this should be a 'no brainer'. We didn't get any of the NWA targeted pension $. This was an oversight that occurred during the PWA / merger saga. I can't believe you guys are saying we just have to "suck it up" and it's ok for a 2007 hire to get less DC contribution than a 2011 new hire. This was not done intentionally by ALPA but rather an oversight in the PWA. We were just kind of forgotten about.

It makes me realize how many of my brothers will vote a certain way (like sell out scope) and just say to the less fortunate junior guys - "suck it up, I've had to do it in my career too".

That my brothers is the philosophy that has tarnished this profession and made our union weak.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 992888)

I am not sure what you mean by no brainer. It would take cash to fix the situation. The company is not likely to pony up cash mid contract unless they see some advantage to do so. I got exactly zero from the Delta targeted DC plan. The said my frozen plan would cover me. The frozen plan has since been terminated and no one went back to change the oversight and make me whole. I understand its just the way the ball bounced. I don't whine over and over again about it even though we were promised if the DB terminated any follow on DC would be re targeted to make us whole. It never happened such is life. I got over it.

Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 992904)

The Navy SEAL who shot Bin Laden has been identified! (Not appropriate for children or pilot lounges around the globe, ie, work).

Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 992709)

When I was hired there was something about what I got paid that I didn't get to vote on either that I want corrected.................The loss of income from THE 5 YEAR B SCALE I had to endure! :mad:

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 992843)

Who peed on your Wheeties this morning?

Originally Posted by Ed Harley (Post 992878)

I guess some of you guys just don't get it, this should be a 'no brainer'. We didn't get any of the NWA targeted pension $. This was an oversight that occurred during the PWA / merger saga. I can't believe you guys are saying we just have to "suck it up" and it's ok for a 2007 hire to get less DC contribution than a 2011 new hire. This was not done intentionally by ALPA but rather an oversight in the PWA. We were just kind of forgotten about.

It makes me realize how many of my brothers will vote a certain way (like sell out scope) and just say to the less fortunate junior guys - "suck it up, I've had to do it in my career too".

That my brothers is the philosophy that has tarnished this profession and made our union weak.

Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 992763)

Johnso,

First, let me say that I do think that you should be getting the same DC contribution. That's not the point though.

You are enduring this with your fellow NW hires of the same period as I did with my fellow B-scalers. I guess I don't understand your point. I made less last year as a 7ER Capt. than I did as a MD 11 FO in 1998. We've all taken a shot on the chin because of bankruptcy. It sucks!!:mad:

I'm assuming, in your last sentence, that you mean you make less in your DC contribution than a new hire.

Again Johnso, I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying that's just the way it is. Most likely this group of guys is just going to have to suck it up and take it on chin like we all did with the B scale. I just don't see anything getting resolved with this prior to Jan. 2012 when everyone will have the same contribution. Trying to go back and recover this contribution from past years ain't gonna happen. (My fatalist view)

Denny