As one of the 200 or so who’s getting less DC than everyone else… It’s not right; it’s not fair. It was something that fell through the crack, and I guess it was too late to fix it when they noticed that error. So, it wasn’t like they screw us on purpose. When I heard that we’d merge, I fully expected that I’d be on the street. I didn’t expect that I was ganna get equity shares. Life turned out OK. So, we have this glitch that pays us a bit less, but we’ll definitely get that fixed in 2012. Until then, I’ll suck it up for the unity. I think the unity thing start with ALL of us saying little bit less of “me, me, me.” JMHO

OK - here we go, one more time.

That is simply wrong. Trust me, this was not an oversight. ALL NWA pilots entered the merger with the DC contribution rate in place prior to the merger, including you guys.
I agree completely with you here, and disagree with the OP of this comment.

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Originally Posted by Ed Harley (Post 992604)

Yes, I get 3% less than a new hire. I don't see what the merger equity shares have to do with the issue. I received those shares for agreeing to the PWA and SLI. A new hire knows the situation when being hired and can choose to decline the job offer if he/she doesn't like the contract.

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BINGO! You got the merger equity shares by agreeing to the PWA and SLI. And a part of that comprehensive package was the flat DC and a nice pay raise.

No - I've never sued the union and never will. Not management either.

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 992642)

So we make less then our pre merger DAL counter parts, & that's fair?

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That was part of the PWA, and yes, I think it's fair. Because the NWA guys got an hourly rate pay raise with the merger, and DAL guys did not, as your rates were harmonized on Day 1 with the DAL rates. See the post below from sailingfun for some historical perspective on previous mergers.




You are being treated EXACTLY as EVERY other former NWA pilot is being treated. EVERY NWA pilot currently "receives" 8% DC. For some, it goes into the targeting matrix and is reallocated under that formula; for you guys, it is paid directly to you. EVERY NWA guy. Every one. Not one is getting more than that; but the entire NWA group will be harmonized under the terms of the PWA on 12/31/12. What you are asking is for 200 NWA guys to get harmonized earlier than ALL of your fellow NWA pilots.

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 992656)

EXCUSE ME??!!!! What kind of GARBAGE is this?? How do you even try to justify in your head that this is relevant to the argument? A current DAL new hire was not involved in the merger, or making it work & therefore was never entitled to any shares.

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As I told Ed, those merger equity shares were in the same contract as your DC rates. It was all one big package. ALPA tried to get harmonization of pay AND DC on Day 1. They were unsuccessful. YOUR MEC made the choice to harmonize pay, and let DC (for ALL NWA pilots) harmonize on 12/31/12. That was their decision.

Banana, who is telling you this? It is a complete lie. This did NOT "fall through the crack". It was not "an error".

And finally, I leave you with this historically accurate quote from sailingfun, who says it better than I could:

Ummm no....every former NWA pilot does NOT recieve 11% DC.. I think mine is 2% or so.

Read it again Dog, for some its a DC, for others its paid directly. You must be receiving yours directly. If not, contact pilot pay.

1. the part that was forgotten in the PWA merger process was that us 200 nwa guys would be getting less in our retirement than a delta new hire hired years after us. This wasn't intended.

2. Most of the 200 guys were on probation and didn't get to vote on the pwa.

3. I do not get 11% DC contribution at this time "like every other nwa guy". This is the point you seem to be missing. I also do not partake in the nwa pension targeting.

Not trying to really enter this fray even though I am one of the roughly 200 affected by this, but I have to enter my two bits as I've heard this a lot. The nice pay raise your telling us to be thankful for really didn't apply that much to us (the forgotten 200). If I were a block holder I couldn't disagree with you, but as we were the bottom 200 guys on the PMNW seniority list we were mostly stuck with reserve. NWA paid us 75 hrs min guarantee on reserve and then after the switchover DAL gave us 70. I've basically been getting min guarantee my entire tenure here (~3.5 yrs) since I think I've broken min guarantee only twice and even then not by more than 3 hrs. Not getting an extra five hrs of pay a month waters down the 'pay raise' quite a bit until you can be a block holder. Thx again age 65.

Not complaining as all of this is better than my previous gig, but am just trying to add some perspective.

Well put Eck. But I don't think all of the blame can be assigned to the age 65 thing. And let me weigh in with a little perspective from the south. Prior to the merger, I was a lineholder and averaging 78-80 hours a month. Since the merger, I've been pushed into reserve and have only broken the min guarantee twice. So, as a 2001 hire, I've taken a pretty significant pay cut as well.

As is always the case in mergers, most of us have taken a step back in our quality of life. I think most of us, with the exception of the top, most senior guys, have taken a short term hit. Keep your eye on the ball. Neither side has enjoyed a windfall.

PJust out of curiosity, what was your hourly rate X 75 hours vs what you make now X 70 hours? What is the difference?

Your company and Mr. Lee Moak wrote the deal so live with it and don't complain to us about who has what. As a fNWA guy it pretty much s**ks here at the great DAL operation.:rolleyes:

What was the hire date of the 200 guys who are affected by this issue?

Scoop