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Old 05-19-2011 | 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Nosmo King
Indeed. I am opposed to out of base swaps. I believe the update said it requires further study.
Correct, it's one of five issues to be "under consideration at a later date".
Old 05-19-2011 | 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Other than critiquing the math, I hope that one of the reasons that you highlighted the out of base swap board idea is that you realize that it is an abomination. We gotta fight this fellas... it is the absolute wrong way to go....

I would love to see some discussion on the subject.

FAIL. RUO and and reserve rules need to be changed not limiting pilot flexibility!!
Old 05-19-2011 | 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Rather B Fishin
FAIL. RUO and and reserve rules need to be changed not limiting pilot flexibility!!
Which is it? Reserve system issues or this asinine proposal that will blatantly violate seniority that inhibits pilot flexibility? You say fail, but I have had 2 pilots in as many days that have told me that another pilot.. out of the blue... called them and asked them to park a trip on their line. They didn't even know the guy. You don't think that this would be ripe for abuse? Obviously you are senior in your category so this would be awesome for you. As a junior pilot, I cannot hold the same seat in ATL or SLC or several other bases. I am based in NY. I CHOSE to be based in NY. It is not fair to allow guys from other bases to be able to come in and snipe open time trips via this method when they should go to a reserve in this base. Ths ultimate result of this garbage is that it will ultimately result in a reduced need for reserves in a given category. Don't think that will happen? Do you want to take that chance or are you in pull up the ladder mode? and.. what is RUO?
Old 05-19-2011 | 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by dragon
Correct, it's one of five issues to be "under consideration at a later date".
It needs to be killed altogether, not tabled. Call your reps.
Old 05-19-2011 | 06:52 AM
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I agree with Ts on this topic. Example: Pilot lives in Atlanta but commutes to NYC to be a junior line holder and cannot hold same category in Atlanta. With "out of base" swap this junior NYC pilot can now be a junior line holding pilot in ATL screwing more senior pilots than him that can hold the ATL category but are on reserve. In my book, a definite abrogation of seniority.

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Old 05-19-2011 | 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
what is RUO?
Reserve Utilization Order, it is the contracted order in which reserve pilots SHOULD be used.

I say should because I frequently finding crew scheduling deviating from this, but then again I'm just going off of the Icrew reserve list, that may not be as up to date.


Speaking of which, not that it makes much difference, but if you are activated as a RES pilot on long call with a rotation starting the next day, is there any benefit in not acknowledging it in Icrew.
Basically, just wait for crew scheduling to call or am I contractually obligated to acknowledge the trip if seen on Icrew. (I've heard captains tell me to do this)
Again, I doubt it makes any difference, just curious.
Old 05-19-2011 | 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
I have had 2 pilots in as many days that have told me that another pilot.. out of the blue... called them and asked them to park a trip on their line. They didn't even know the guy. You don't think that this would be ripe for abuse?
Dang. I wish they'd call me. I'd say, "sure", then when they want it back, I'd say "nah, I think I'll just keep it, thank you very much"
Old 05-19-2011 | 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
I agree with Ts on this topic. Example: Pilot lives in Atlanta but commutes to NYC to be a junior line holder and cannot hold same category in Atlanta. With "out of base" swap this junior NYC pilot can now be a junior line holding pilot in ATL screwing more senior pilots than him that can hold the ATL category but are on reserve. In my book, a definite abrogation of seniority.

Denny
Out of base swaps: is this about pilot-to-pilot swaps OR open time pick-ups?
Old 05-19-2011 | 07:18 AM
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As I stated many pages ago, I am senior in category and would be senior in the other bases in my category and I am against out of base swaps. The potential for abuse is definitely there.

Had this exact discussion on my last trip about the current swap system and trip parking being "contractually legal" but "unethical" (senior capt's words, not mine).

But if some of y'all want to change this to make it legal, then I guess I will have another way to make my life easier at the expense of junior pilots.

For the record, I have never parked a trip or used the swap board to trade a trip.
Old 05-19-2011 | 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
I agree with Ts on this topic. Example: Pilot lives in Atlanta but commutes to NYC to be a junior line holder and cannot hold same category in Atlanta. With "out of base" swap this junior NYC pilot can now be a junior line holding pilot in ATL screwing more senior pilots than him that can hold the ATL category but are on reserve. In my book, a definite abrogation of seniority.

Denny
Totally agree Denny.

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