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Originally Posted by John Galt
(Post 761378)
Please "peel" the onion.
For low to NO cost, the Japanese media has blasted the Delta brand all over the place. NWA "Red Tail" along with their travel agent army in Japan has been most effective. Now, the tail is gone and the branding is non descript. Think Pan AM in Paris back in the day. This folly was worth its wait in GOLD at $2000/ounce to super charge the Skyteam brand in Japan. We (post merger) command the third largest slot portfolio in NRT and are now better positioned for the HND slot subscription (1 or more of 4 dailies). NWA operated NRT to a fraction of its potential. And, do not forget the other SkyTeam member Korean. That relationship has always been dominated by DAL in the past. Things may shift. The real bet is on when and if and how China liberalizes their aviation market. When YUM brands gained entrance into the chinese market, they had to buy a LOAD of tile to build franchises in mainland. Think Aviation infrastructure and update. They may get Next Gen before the US! If the market opens look towards NRT overfly on premium market pairs. destroyer or liberator? JG |
On the slot swap. If we really have to do this, and DAL really wants it done, they can give up the slots, and just fly many of the city pairs with less frequency and larger gauge jets. (mainline not RJ's of course)
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The Safety card
Originally Posted by FmrFreightDog
(Post 761289)
Looked to me like Prater has grown a chin or two on the ALPA teet......
Watched the show with my frequent-flyer mother-in-law. By the end of the show she was aghast and spent the next hour asking me questions about rest rules, pay, the whole 9 yards. If even ten percent of the frequent flyers out there had the same reaction, the show was a success in my mind. Are we willing to say it in public? If so: It will never come from ALPA because of the major/regional dual representation conflict of interest, but it may be time for mainline pilots to play the safety card. This has always been strictly taboo in our industry but desperate times call for desperate measures. It wouldn't take much. A couple full page ads would generate media attention an order of magnitude larger. A big picture of a pilot with his wife and kids: My name is Jim Smith. I am a pilot for a major airline. I love my family. I don't allow them to fly on regional airlines or regional jets. I have been in this industry for 25 years and in my judgment the regional airline industry is unsafe. etc. etc. pilot qualifications, training, schedule pressures, pay. Spell it out. |
One of the best measures of a man is his resiliency. If you can extrapolate that to the corporate level, we must think a good measure of a company and by extension, its management team is their ability to bounce back from adversity.
We've had a great year with the merger. So the JAL folks didn't want to switch horses midstream - as ACL and others have eloquently said, we have other plans and long term I see the overflight of the NRT and HND airports in favor of the PTP structure that has been taking over the Atlantic. As to LGA, they'll point out that LCC has already closed their base here and many of the slots will go unused (or used just enough to keep them open) thereby resulting in less options for the traveling public and higher fares. If they sell it to the right folks as a "Job Creator" or a "Job Killer" they could get some traction. I ultimately see this in court in some fashion if the DOT goes against precedent. We have no control on these things, but if asked to fight again for the NY deal, I'll be all over it - that's something we can do. Let's stay informed and engaged but the sky is not falling, it may be a bit more cloudy but definitely not falling. |
Originally Posted by Check Essential
(Post 761394)
Do we really accept the premise of that show? Regionals are unsafe?
Are we willing to say it in public? If so: It will never come from ALPA because of the major/regional dual representation conflict of interest, but it may be time for mainline pilots to play the safety card. This has always been strictly taboo in our industry but desperate times call for desperate measures. It wouldn't take much. A couple full page ads would generate media attention an order of magnitude larger. A big picture of a pilot with his wife and kids: My name is Jim Smith. I am a pilot for a major airline. I love my family. I don't allow them to fly on regional airlines or regional jets. I have been in this industry for 25 years and in my judgment the regional airline industry is unsafe. etc. etc. pilot qualifications, training, schedule pressures, pay. Spell it out. |
Originally Posted by dragon
(Post 761408)
I ultimately see this in court in some fashion if the DOT goes against precedent..
Congress gave DOT the authority to control those airports and slots. "It is what it is" seems to be a popular phrase. That applies here. |
Originally Posted by Check Essential
(Post 761394)
Do we really accept the premise of that show? Regionals are unsafe?
Are we willing to say it in public? If so: It will never come from ALPA because of the major/regional dual representation conflict of interest, but it may be time for mainline pilots to play the safety card. This has always been strictly taboo in our industry but desperate times call for desperate measures. It wouldn't take much. A couple full page ads would generate media attention an order of magnitude larger. A big picture of a pilot with his wife and kids: My name is Jim Smith. I am a pilot for a major airline. I love my family. I don't allow them to fly on regional airlines or regional jets. I have been in this industry for 25 years and in my judgment the regional airline industry is unsafe. etc. etc. pilot qualifications, training, schedule pressures, pay. Spell it out. |
Originally Posted by Check Essential
(Post 761415)
That's been tried before. The courts toss it out every time.
Congress gave DOT the authority to control those airports and slots. "It is what it is" seems to be a popular phrase. That applies here. |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 761388)
On the slot swap. If we really have to do this, and DAL really wants it done, they can give up the slots, and just fly many of the city pairs with less frequency and larger gauge jets. (mainline not RJ's of course)
--- This I cannot believe, times have changed...Continental Airlines announced today that daytime operations would be suspended at Newark Liberty International Airport due to the impending snow storm, which could dump a foot or more on much of New Jersey. --- The Federal Aviation Administration is investigating violations of safety directives by Southwest Airlines, the third such probe of the Dallas-based carrier's maintenance record in two years. Is it time we start going after SWA for being unsafe? May or may not be fair but they (the airline that skews us for bag fees, poked AMR in the eye over the MD80 issues and claims to be the low fair airline even though they are not) have given us the ammo. I'd stop aiming our anger at the regionals and start aiming at our competitors without giving them a pass because they have better narrow body pay :rolleyes:. Background from an article on the pending AMR fine - FAA officials have not yet determined the amount of the fine that will be proposed against American, but it will likely be along the lines of the $10.2 million fine the agency proposed against Southwest Airlines in March 2008, the officials said. The Southwest fine, the largest ever proposed by the FAA, was the result of nearly 60,000 flights made on planes that had missed required examinations for structural cracks. It was settled for $7.5 million in March 2009. --- If there is a 30 day period to allow us to talk then where shall we send our letters? --- To our competitors holding up the slow swap: http://leonardzlg.files.wordpress.co...8/whining1.jpg |
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 761420)
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February 10, 2010
British Airways’ all business class subsidiary OpenSkies will start service between Paris-Orly Airport and Washington-Dulles Airport in May. Washington will be the second U.S. city served by Open Skies since it began service between Paris and Newark-Liberty Airport last summer. The airline will use a Boeing 757 aircraft with 72 business class flat-bed seats for the service. The Paris-Washington flight will operate five times per week, and British Air says it will increase the frequency in the coming months. |
Originally Posted by satchip
(Post 761416)
I've been saying that here for years. That argument should be made in conjunction with the drive to require an ATP for all Part 121 operations, every seat. Why are the lives of 50 people less valuable than the lives of 120? It sure is going to peeve the Joe Merchant crowd though!
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FtB;
The issue is we want the slots in NYC and want the access to Lain America. I am sure we could acquire Spirit, then we have the slots in NYC, DCA and Latin America. It would probably cheaper than all of the other options we have right now. I guess we could give the DOT what they want then buy Spirit, but then they would probably want us to give up all of those slots too. The message they are sending is clear. Delta you are too big, and we want SWA and Jet Blue to kick your six. If they want to give them slots, that is fine, but do it the correct way, not like this. It is dirty. That is why I do not see our boys playing ball. It seems like a calculated risk on the DOT's part. They are assuming that this deal is too important for DAL or LCC to walk away from. Ego, we will take it in the teeth. They are opportunists too. Time to call someone's bluff. |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 761476)
FtB;
The issue is we want the slots in NYC and want the access to Lain America. I am sure we could acquire Spirit, then we have the slots in NYC, DCA and Latin America. It would probably cheaper than all of the other options we have right now. I guess we could give the DOT what they want then buy Spirit, but then they would probably want us to give up all of those slots too. The message they are sending is clear. Delta you are too big, and we want SWA and Jet Blue to kick your six. If they want to give them slots, that is fine, but do it the correct way, not like this. It is dirty. That is why I do not see our boys playing ball. It seems like a calculated risk on the DOT's part. They are assuming that this deal is too important for DAL or LCC to walk away from. Ego, we will take it in the teeth. They are opportunists too. Time to call someone's bluff. |
Originally Posted by TOGA LK
(Post 761483)
SWA kicks tail. Profitable, and no regional jets. Hmmm.... Sometimes old school wins.
I agree that Regional jets are a fad past their prime. Large Regional jets are the future. With Slot issues like this, you need more seats with less frequency. The "Majors" are adjusting, but need to do it a lot quicker than they are. Time to make most domestic flying mainline type flying. Large Gauge is the way to go. |
Auburn program?
[quote=acl65pilot;761469]Not sure that will happen. There appear to be a few clauses in the new language that will allow business to remain as usual. It will kill the little flight schools but allow places like ERAU, UND and Auburn to still churn out pilots and get them to the regionals without an ATP.
I had nearly forgotten about this. Don't really understand what it was about, not wanting to start a flame war regarding universities... but Had the momma ask me how bad this was going to be for her son, an Auburn grad from their aviation program. Supposedly he got a certified letter from the FAA saying some part of the program at Auburn in '08 was no longer valid. She thinks he will have to retake that part or he was offered the opportunity to "test out of it" with some kind of FAA test. I had no idea what to tell her, I suggested he ask Auburn for a refund and then changed the subject. The only other information I have is that he is trying to get on with a regional as a pilot. Anybody here know what this Auburn thing is about? |
Originally Posted by Check Essential
(Post 761394)
Do we really accept the premise of that show? Regionals are unsafe?
Are we willing to say it in public? Also, the mainline operations are not the model of perfection which would make much of a contrast with the regional world. Southwest's corner cutting is legendary and it sounds like American in about to get a lot of press they do not want. Hey, everyone can't be Delta :) ( I keed, I keed, but it is pretty good here compared to other places I've flown ) |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 761495)
Old School SWA is rationalizing their business plan on the go.
I agree that Regional jets are a fad past their prime. Large Regional jets are the future. With Slot issues like this, you need more seats with less frequency. The "Majors" are adjusting, but need to do it a lot quicker than they are. Time to make most domestic flying mainline type flying. Large Gauge is the way to go. |
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 761501)
The show painted with a very broad brush. Some regionals are a lot better than others. ASA, IMHO had an outstanding training department. Their record has been outstanding too. The only losses of life the airline has ever sustained was the result of massive mechanical failures which rendered the airplane incapable of remaining airborne. Even then, by all accounts the crew performed admirably.
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 761501)
The show painted with a very broad brush. Some regionals are a lot better than others. ASA, IMHO had an outstanding training department. Their record has been outstanding too. The only losses of life the airline has ever sustained was the result of massive mechanical failures which rendered the airplane incapable of remaining airborne. Even then, by all accounts the crew performed admirably.
Also, the mainline operations are not the model of perfection which would make much of a contrast with the regional world. Southwest's corner cutting is legendary and it sounds like American in about to get a lot of press they do not want. Hey, everyone can't be Delta :) ( I keed, I keed, but it is pretty good here compared to other places I've flown ) ASA, OH, SKW, Mesaba, Pinnacle, Piedmont, etc are established regionals with very good training programs. Heck I would even submit that Freedom, and Mesa have good training as I know a few of their APD's. Training is very important, but what IMHO is more important is the quality of the candidate coming to the interview. We have a major problem in this industry,that no one wants to see. Majors have cut pay and bennies to the point that a smart kid will look at and say, "Heck for 150K a year in 20 years I can go be a dentist, a Anesthesiologist Tech, a Doctor, Lawyer, business man, government servant etc." Why would anyone in their right mind sign up for 15K a year for three to five years, then 50-70K a year for another five, then 30K at a major to get to senior FO when they are 40 making 100K and if they are lucky by the time they are 45-50 make 140K + ? With all of the pitfalls and risks in this industry bight ppl are bright enough to avoid it. Add to it the banks do not want to lend money to students that want to join aviation. They are a bad debt risk. The problem really is top down and bottom up. Give a bigger bone to shoot for you may be able to snooker some qualified pilots in to the pipe line. Up regional pay, everywhere and you will not see crazy stupid cross country commutes, horrible crash pads etc. Give pilots decent money so that they have a little expendable cash. Problem is we are making a market wage in an industry that is not truly open to competition, and not regulated to the point that profits can be made across the board. The LGA slot swap is a great example. Airlines are trying to find new ways to make money. Not necessarily to pay pilot better, but to quit losing their shirts. If we can start to make money the QOL of the employees better come back as well. The government is as much or more to blame than the airlines. Airline managers are ruthless and will pay exactly what gets ppl to arrive at the doorstep, but the government needs to either open it up completely( no slots etc) or regulate the entrants and everything else so that what they deem a national asset can perform as such. Not a half working broken system that by the grace of god does not kill more people that it does. IMO without a major change the next generation will not be of the caliber of pilot that I want driving my family around. We have about four years to turn the ship. Rant over! |
Originally Posted by Superpilot92
(Post 761502)
BINGO!! We cant be the nations #1 carrier with the best product when we have the most regional jets in the industry. MGMT needs to come forward with a plan to replace our regional jet domestic feed with a mainline jet of choice. They need to realize that people hate regional jets and with the recent scrutiny of of the regional providers now would be the perfect time to adjust the business plan.
Delta is leading the way in the NextGen Airspace Initiative. We have ppl in DC almost every week trying to find a solution to this problem. We know what the benefit are, but part of the fix is no more 50 seat jets taking up the same airspace as a 400 passenger jets does. It may be less convenient for passengers to only have twice or thrice service a day sans hourly, but the jet will be bigger and the delays in theory should be less, as there is less metal trying to land on the same 7000 feet near LGA Bay. |
Originally Posted by TOGA LK
(Post 761483)
SWA kicks tail. Profitable, and no regional jets. Hmmm.... Sometimes old school wins.
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 761516)
I agree for the most part Bar;
ASA, OH, SKW, Mesaba, Pinnacle, Piedmont, etc are established regionals with very good training programs. Heck I would even submit that Freedom, and Mesa have good training as I know a few of their APD's. Training is very important, but what IMHO is more important is the quality of the candidate coming to the interview. We have a major problem in this industry,that no one wants to see. Majors have cut pay and bennies to the point that a smart kid will look at and say, "Heck for 150K a year in 20 years I can go be a dentist, a Anesthesiologist Tech, a Doctor, Lawyer, business man, government servant etc." Why would anyone in their right mind sign up for 15K a year for three to five years, then 50-70K a year for another five, then 30K at a major to get to senior FO when they are 40 making 100K and if they are lucky by the time they are 45-50 make 140K + ? With all of the pitfalls and risks in this industry bight ppl are bright enough to avoid it. Add to it the banks do not want to lend money to students that want to join aviation. They are a bad debt risk. The problem really is top down and bottom up. Give a bigger bone to shoot for you may be able to snooker some qualified pilots in to the pipe line. Up regional pay, everywhere and you will not see crazy stupid cross country commutes, horrible crash pads etc. Give pilots decent money so that they have a little expendable cash. Problem is we are making a market wage in an industry that is not truly open to competition, and not regulated to the point that profits can be made across the board. The LGA slot swap is a great example. Airlines are trying to find new ways to make money. Not necessarily to pay pilot better, but to quit losing their shirts. If we can start to make money the QOL of the employees better come back as well. The government is as much or more to blame than the airlines. Airline managers are ruthless and will pay exactly what gets ppl to arrive at the doorstep, but the government needs to either open it up completely( no slots etc) or regulate the entrants and everything else so that what they deem a national asset can perform as such. Not a half working broken system that by the grace of god does not kill more people that it does. IMO without a major change the next generation will not be of the caliber of pilot that I want driving my family around. We have about four years to turn the ship. Rant over! |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 761517)
It is more than just customer satisfaction, it is the ability to pile more crud in to the same bag. Less frequency on bigger jets leads to more seats for the same piece of airspace. With the public seeing air travel as essential it is the only way to go. There are only so many landing slots, and so much airspace to fit us all in.
Delta is leading the way in the NextGen Airspace Initiative. We have ppl in DC almost every week trying to find a solution to this problem. We know what the benefit are, but part of the fix is no more 50 seat jets taking up the same airspace as a 400 passenger jets does. It may be less convenient for passengers to only have twice or thrice service a day sans hourly, but the jet will be bigger and the delays in theory should be less, as there is less metal trying to land on the same 7000 feet near LGA Bay. I think your theory is a little flawed if you think there will be fewer jets landing in LGA or whatever airport that's slot controlled. If airlines go to bigger jets and less frequency to some markets, the slots that are now freed up will just be used to start new service some where else and now the airlines are right back where they started only with bigger jets, which is good, but it will not lead to less conjestion. IMO Denny |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 761516)
We have a major problem in this industry,that no one wants to see. Majors have cut pay and bennies to the point that a smart kid will look at and say, "Heck for 150K a year in 20 years I can go be a dentist, a Anesthesiologist Tech, a Doctor, Lawyer, business man, government servant etc." Why would anyone in their right mind sign up for 15K a year for three to five years, then 50-70K a year for another five, then 30K at a major to get to senior FO when they are 40 making 100K and if they are lucky by the time they are 45-50 make 140K + ?
With all of the pitfalls and risks in this industry bight ppl are bright enough to avoid it. Add to it the banks do not want to lend money to students that want to join aviation. They are a bad debt risk. The problem really is top down and bottom up. Give a bigger bone to shoot for you may be able to snooker some qualified pilots in to the pipe line. Up regional pay, everywhere and you will not see crazy stupid cross country commutes, horrible crash pads etc. Give pilots decent money so that they have a little expendable cash. Problem is we are making a market wage in an industry that is not truly open to competition, and not regulated to the point that profits can be made across the board. The LGA slot swap is a great example. Airlines are trying to find new ways to make money. Not necessarily to pay pilot better, but to quit losing their shirts. If we can start to make money the QOL of the employees better come back as well. The government is as much or more to blame than the airlines. Airline managers are ruthless and will pay exactly what gets ppl to arrive at the doorstep, but the government needs to either open it up completely( no slots etc) or regulate the entrants and everything else so that what they deem a national asset can perform as such. Not a half working broken system that by the grace of god does not kill more people that it does. IMO without a major change the next generation will not be of the caliber of pilot that I want driving my family around. We have about four years to turn the ship. Rant over! Give that man a cookie. You are SPOT on! And I'll go one step more. If the gold at the end of the rainbow is big enough, there will never be a shortage of very qualified candidates to fill regional seats at minimum wage. But with major wages now significantly altered, and regional wages still pathetic, the caliber entering now is very likely of considerably less quality than ever before. I have a list of regional airlines that I won't fly on. If we have another hiring boom, I suspect that list will grow considerably. |
Originally Posted by Denny Crane
(Post 761535)
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I think your theory is a little flawed if you think there will be fewer jets landing in LGA or whatever airport that's slot controlled. If airlines go to bigger jets and less frequency to some markets, the slots that are now freed up will just be used to start new service some where else and now the airlines are right back where they started only with bigger jets, which is good, but it will not lead to less conjestion. IMO Denny My point is bigger jets, same slots, more seats, for less congestion that the current solution of more slots for smaller jets. |
Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
(Post 761554)
+1
Give that man a cookie. You are SPOT on! And I'll go one step more. If the gold at the end of the rainbow is big enough, there will never be a shortage of very qualified candidates to fill regional seats at minimum wage. But with major wages now significantly altered, and regional wages still pathetic, the caliber entering now is very likely of considerably less quality than ever before. I have a list of regional airlines that I won't fly on. If we have another hiring boom, I suspect that list will grow considerably. If I had to make the decision again, I would be hard pressed. It is nice to love your job, and love aviation, but they do not pay the bills. All of us feel short changed. |
Would like to see US Airways and Delta mec's have ALPA and AFL-CIO put pressure on Schulmer for his support of non-union airline.
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Originally Posted by ratsnrip
(Post 761500)
Had the momma ask me how bad this was going to be for her son, an Auburn grad from their aviation program. Supposedly he got a certified letter from the FAA saying some part of the program at Auburn in '08 was no longer valid. She thinks he will have to retake that part or he was offered the opportunity to "test out of it" with some kind of FAA test.
I had no idea what to tell her, I suggested he ask Auburn for a refund and then changed the subject. The only other information I have is that he is trying to get on with a regional as a pilot. Anybody here know what this Auburn thing is about?
Originally Posted by Superpilot92
(Post 761502)
BINGO!! We cant be the nations #1 carrier with the best product when we have the most regional jets in the industry. MGMT needs to come forward with a plan to replace our regional jet domestic feed with a mainline jet of choice. They need to realize that people hate regional jets and with the recent scrutiny of of the regional providers now would be the perfect time to adjust the business plan.
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 761501)
The show painted with a very broad brush. Some regionals are a lot better than others. ASA, IMHO had an outstanding training department. Their record has been outstanding too. The only losses of life the airline has ever sustained was the result of massive mechanical failures which rendered the airplane incapable of remaining airborne. Even then, by all accounts the crew performed admirably.
Also, the mainline operations are not the model of perfection which would make much of a contrast with the regional world. Southwest's corner cutting is legendary and it sounds like American in about to get a lot of press they do not want. Hey, everyone can't be Delta :) ( I keed, I keed, but it is pretty good here compared to other places I've flown ) Expressjets only fatal accident was a Brasilia where the horizontal stabilizer wasn't finished being installed and it was accidently put back on the line. The ERJ-145 has had 0 fatal accidents to date and partly because it was designed to be operated by subpar operators around the world not to mention pilots who'd been flying for 16 hours. I heard the Dash 8 (prior to the Colgan crash) had the best record of any aircraft ever built but I'm not sure.
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 761516)
I agree for the most part Bar;
ASA, OH, SKW, Mesaba, Pinnacle, Piedmont, etc are established regionals with very good training programs. Heck I would even submit that Freedom, and Mesa have good training as I know a few of their APD's. Training is very important, but what IMHO is more important is the quality of the candidate coming to the interview. We have a major problem in this industry,that no one wants to see. Majors have cut pay and bennies to the point that a smart kid will look at and say, "Heck for 150K a year in 20 years I can go be a dentist, a Anesthesiologist Tech, a Doctor, Lawyer, business man, government servant etc." Why would anyone in their right mind sign up for 15K a year for three to five years, then 50-70K a year for another five, then 30K at a major to get to senior FO when they are 40 making 100K and if they are lucky by the time they are 45-50 make 140K + ? With all of the pitfalls and risks in this industry bight ppl are bright enough to avoid it. Add to it the banks do not want to lend money to students that want to join aviation. They are a bad debt risk. The problem really is top down and bottom up. Give a bigger bone to shoot for you may be able to snooker some qualified pilots in to the pipe line. Up regional pay, everywhere and you will not see crazy stupid cross country commutes, horrible crash pads etc. Give pilots decent money so that they have a little expendable cash. Problem is we are making a market wage in an industry that is not truly open to competition, and not regulated to the point that profits can be made across the board. The LGA slot swap is a great example. Airlines are trying to find new ways to make money. Not necessarily to pay pilot better, but to quit losing their shirts. If we can start to make money the QOL of the employees better come back as well. The government is as much or more to blame than the airlines. Airline managers are ruthless and will pay exactly what gets ppl to arrive at the doorstep, but the government needs to either open it up completely( no slots etc) or regulate the entrants and everything else so that what they deem a national asset can perform as such. Not a half working broken system that by the grace of god does not kill more people that it does. IMO without a major change the next generation will not be of the caliber of pilot that I want driving my family around. We have about four years to turn the ship. Rant over! There are a lot of smart good people who are going to look at this industry and walk away and you cannot blame them. And the ATP requirement is not going to solve the problem. If anything it'll make it worse in the years to come when hiring picks up. Probably wrong threat again but if mainline pilots are worried today about putting their famliies on a regional jet just wait a couple of years, it'll get a lot worse if progression to a personal ROI for good people doesn't dramatically improve. I still find it ironic that pilots have a problem putting their families on RJs but nobody has a problem putting their family on a SWA jet? Nice hole. Where did you get that? Inflight? http://travelhouseuk.files.wordpress...est_inspec.jpg FTB... tossing grenades while changing diapers. |
I would consider Auburn my first pick if you just want to be a pilot. Chicks, beer, football, more chicks, First rate nursing school=more chicks, first rate pharmacy school=more chicks...did I mention you can get your ratings there too!!!!
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Originally Posted by tim123
(Post 761560)
Would like to see US Airways and Delta mec's have ALPA and AFL-CIO put pressure on Schulmer for his support of non-union airline.
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 761516)
The government is as much or more to blame than the airlines. Airline managers are ruthless and will pay exactly what gets ppl to arrive at the doorstep, but the government needs to either open it up completely( no slots etc) or regulate the entrants and everything else so that what they deem a national asset can perform as such. Not a half working broken system that by the grace of god does not kill more people that it does.
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
(Post 761394)
My name is Jim Smith. I am a pilot for a major airline. I love my family. I don't allow them to fly on regional airlines or regional jets. I have been in this industry for 25 years and in my judgment the regional airline industry is unsafe. etc. etc. pilot qualifications, training, schedule pressures, pay. Spell it out. |
Originally Posted by beer
(Post 761593)
I would consider Auburn my first pick if you just want to be a pilot. Chicks, beer, football, more chicks, First rate nursing school=more chicks, first rate pharmacy school=more chicks...did I mention you can get your ratings there too!!!!
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Sobering Post Warning:::
The Last AE accounted for a lot of the LGA flying. Now that this flying is appearing that it will not be done until the DOT pulls its head out of its anus, something will need to be done. All of the talk of new pilots and that need will probably be off the table until then. In fact, without that flying we have a sizable surplus for the summer. Not saying what is going to happen, but the deck was taken back from the dealer, he took out the Aces and will make delta change their game plan. We will see how DAL deals with this. I am more concerned about the LGA stuff that I ever was about the JAL and NRT issues. |
Originally Posted by chuck h
(Post 761600)
I wonder if he lets his wife and kids ride in cars, downhill ski, or maybe talk on the phone during thunderstorms?
You missed the point. |
No, I didn't.
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 761602)
Sobering Post Warning:::
The Last AE accounted for a lot of the LGA flying. Now that this flying is appearing that it will not be done until the DOT pulls its head out of its anus, something will need to be done. All of the talk of new pilots and that need will probably be off the table until then. In fact, without that flying we have a sizable surplus for the summer. Not saying what is going to happen, but the deck was taken back from the dealer, he took out the Aces and will make delta change their game plan. We will see how DAL deals with this. I am more concerned about the LGA stuff that I ever was about the JAL and NRT issues. gotta love this industry full of drama......if its not one thing its another. Fortunately the pax loads seem to be recovering so its going to a busy summer either way. Things have already been tight and its not even spring break yet. |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 761516)
I agree for the most part Bar;
ASA, OH, SKW, Mesaba, Pinnacle, Piedmont, etc are established regionals with very good training programs. Heck I would even submit that Freedom, and Mesa have good training as I know a few of their APD's. Excellent post... however I know from first hand experience that Pinnacle has a horrendous training department and operation. Just check the boxes and then you can blame whatever problems you have on the pilot. "Hey, we did what we were required!" Just look at Trenary's (Pinnacle CEO) response to that victim's relative last night. The guy said to him (in so many words) "I'm glad we've been able to identify these issues and I hope some major progress can be made to fixing it." Trenary's response? "We fixed it." That right there illustrates the major issue we're dealing with. |
Originally Posted by beer
(Post 761593)
I would consider Auburn my first pick if you just want to be a pilot. Chicks, beer, football, more chicks, First rate nursing school=more chicks, first rate pharmacy school=more chicks...did I mention you can get your ratings there too!!!!
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 761574)
Fantastic post. There are a lot of smart good people who are going to look at this industry and walk away and you cannot blame them. And the ATP requirement is not going to solve the problem. If anything it'll make it worse in the years to come when hiring picks up. Probably wrong threat again but if mainline pilots are worried today about putting their famliies on a regional jet just wait a couple of years, it'll get a lot worse if progression to a personal ROI for good people doesn't dramatically improve. FTB... tossing grenades while changing diapers. I think our biggest problem will be the lack of military pilots in the future. The Air Force already makes more UAV pilots than real pilots. If the demand rises as predicted, you will see more pressure for the not quite qualified foreign cruise pilot license. That will be a disaster. |
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