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Old 05-15-2009 | 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
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I'm just curious where you're hearing November? Everything I've heard/read says "end of the year".

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A number of different places but its all speculation. What you heard/read could be just as correct. I'd have to agree with Free Bird, what the FAA says is probably what will happen.

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Old 05-15-2009 | 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by capncrunch
Interesting thought, they have us scheduled to fly till the end of December and by most accounts, SOC will be in November. Curious to see how the displacements work. Yeah, I know what they told us but what they told us and how it actually plays out, look to be different things.
Just to add on to what I said earlier, there is talk that management is fronting like they intend the ANC base to be displaced before SOC but will play surprised when SOC comes early. I can see it now...."sorry guys, we intended the displacements to be before SOC but we got caught off guard when it came early. We will be more vigilant next time".
Old 05-15-2009 | 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by NWA320pilot
No we are not using the DAL staffing formulas, or work rules...... We will shift over with bid period 5. So for the -400 fleet it will be Sept, I am ot sure about the other fleets BP5 dates.
Originally Posted by johnso29
Yup, and the A330/A320 BP5 will be in October. Then I believe its the DC9 and 757 by Jan 2010.
Originally Posted by 1234
Actually, 747-400 will be in Sept, the A330 and 320 BP5 will be in Nov, and the 757 and DC9 in Jan.
Thanks guys for the replies.

Do we expect to see more CA slots available for the DAL-N pilots and a shifting around of the DAL-N pilot force?
Old 05-15-2009 | 11:06 AM
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The SOC is still planed for the end of DEC, the big changes at least fleet wise will be starting in June01....and a bigger one in Aug, these changes will be much harder to digest. AWABS and FPS will not occur untill mid 2010...maybe, I think the DEC SOC is still doable, but maybe not realistic.
Old 05-15-2009 | 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by iceman49
The SOC is still planed for the end of DEC, the big changes at least fleet wise will be starting in June01....and a bigger one in Aug, these changes will be much harder to digest. AWABS and FPS will not occur untill mid 2010...maybe, I think the DEC SOC is still doable, but maybe not realistic.
For the DAL-N guys....I'll shine your shoes, I'll mow your lawn, I'll babysit your kids...just please let me stay in LA!! My wife will kill me. Of course, that would be one less number senior for some of the younger dudes. Never mind.
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
For the DAL-N guys....I'll shine your shoes, I'll mow your lawn, I'll babysit your kids...just please let me stay in LA!! My wife will kill me. Of course, that would be one less number senior for some of the younger dudes. Never mind.

I thought that the DAL N pilots could only take new spots and not bump current positions. Shouldn't you be safe or am I messed up?
Old 05-15-2009 | 11:31 AM
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Any updates on Boeing giving us cheap 777's? What about our threat to return 6 leased 744's unless they give us some good deals? Anyone know?
Old 05-15-2009 | 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by capncrunch
I thought that the DAL N pilots could only take new spots and not bump current positions. Shouldn't you be safe or am I messed up?
In a displacement they can take whatever their seniority will hold except for the 777, until we give in on that too.

Since we have more pilots than jobs, there will be a displacement. Since Delta does not desire a one sided furlough, I expect it will be a couple bids past SOC before we know what the picture looks like.

In the interim, programs like this pilot early retirement package will try to mitigate the harm.

Maybe this will take long enough that the economy comes through the other side by then (4th qtr 2010). Over the long term everyone agrees that aviation is a growth industry and Delta is well positioned.

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Old 05-15-2009 | 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy
Thanks guys for the replies.

Do we expect to see more CA slots available for the DAL-N pilots and a shifting around of the DAL-N pilot force?
Once the shift happens there should be an increase, especially if we have ome people bail with perps. We'll see
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
In a displacement they can take whatever their seniority will hold except for the 777, until we give in on that too.

Since we have more pilots than jobs, there will be a displacement. Since Delta does not desire a one sided furlough, I expect it will be a couple bids past SOC before we know what the picture looks like.

In the interim, programs like this pilot early retirement package will try to mitigate the harm.

Maybe this will take long enough that the economy comes through the other side by then (4th qtr 2010). Over the long term everyone agrees that aviation is a growth industry and Delta is well positioned.
using xxx staffing model then airline xxx did not bring in more pilots than jobs
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