Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
08-16-2011, 05:13 PM
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RE: the situation at American Airlines and its affect on the Delta contract
Haven't seen much comment on this --
ALPA has pulled out of our deal to assist the AA pilots.
I'm not sure Moak has done the wise thing here.
APA is obviously in some difficulty the last few years and it would seem we should try to help them even if it means we catch some of the nastiness that gets generated by their infighting.
Its in our interest for them to get their act together and pattern bargain to the up side.
Now we've bailed out and left them to start over.
Here's the dirty laundry:
American Airlines pilots lose help of larger union | Airline Biz Blog | dallasnews.com
Moak letter explains why ALPA feels insulted by APA | Airline Biz Blog | dallasnews.com
APA base officers speak out about the ALPA-APA situation | Airline Biz Blog | dallasnews.com
Haven't seen much comment on this --
ALPA has pulled out of our deal to assist the AA pilots.
I'm not sure Moak has done the wise thing here.
APA is obviously in some difficulty the last few years and it would seem we should try to help them even if it means we catch some of the nastiness that gets generated by their infighting.
Its in our interest for them to get their act together and pattern bargain to the up side.
Now we've bailed out and left them to start over.
Here's the dirty laundry:
American Airlines pilots lose help of larger union | Airline Biz Blog | dallasnews.com
Moak letter explains why ALPA feels insulted by APA | Airline Biz Blog | dallasnews.com
APA base officers speak out about the ALPA-APA situation | Airline Biz Blog | dallasnews.com
08-16-2011, 05:33 PM
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Mine was correct. Did you add up your end of month check from 2 weeks ago with this one and see if it was normal? I had the same issue last month, but after some investigating and higher math I found it to be correct.
08-16-2011, 06:22 PM
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08-16-2011, 06:25 PM
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That's the crux of it.
Delta pilot count = seniority = pay.
No growth = you figure it out.
As long as others were furloughing the MEC CC response to AS scope was "you should be happy to have a job, others are furloughing"
With others recalling/hiring, the question is what happens now at Delta?
What will be the new "response" to AS scope?
Looking downrange, further airline industry consolidation is inevitable.
Where does that leave Delta pilots at the SLI table?
The RJs were bad enough and lucky for us self correcting with current fuel prices. The AS feed is just like the RJs but with bigger jets and fewer restrictions.
Bottom line:
Delta pilots should fly the feed for Delta international flying.
Cheers
George
Delta pilot count = seniority = pay.
No growth = you figure it out.
As long as others were furloughing the MEC CC response to AS scope was "you should be happy to have a job, others are furloughing"
With others recalling/hiring, the question is what happens now at Delta?
What will be the new "response" to AS scope?
Looking downrange, further airline industry consolidation is inevitable.
Where does that leave Delta pilots at the SLI table?
The RJs were bad enough and lucky for us self correcting with current fuel prices. The AS feed is just like the RJs but with bigger jets and fewer restrictions.
Bottom line:
Delta pilots should fly the feed for Delta international flying.
Cheers
George
08-16-2011, 06:37 PM
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I just see this as another example that the mec is looking out for the company (mgmt)'s needs over the pilots they represent. We need them to work on our behalf to do OUR own flying and stop this idea of just codesharing (aka outsourcing) flying that we could be doing with Delta pilots.
08-16-2011, 07:45 PM
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I can tell you that the pilot that wrote this is a guy that will call balls and strikes fairly. He is super smart, and took a ton of time writing that piece. Plus, he is far from senior, and is one of the smartest guys I know. He gave an honest answer after pouring over all of the data.
It appears to me that AS gets 5X's the good deal that we get from them (on the pilot's backs).
I also get tired of hearing how they feed our international flights. Let's see how many narrow body pilots we would add if we really made this codeshare fair. I'm sure W2 $$ would far exceed the number of widebody jobs benefiting from AS feed. Delta employs narrowbody pilots too you know!
08-16-2011, 08:12 PM
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I can tell you that the pilot that wrote this is a guy that will call balls and strikes fairly. He is super smart, and took a ton of time writing that piece. Plus, he is far from senior, and is one of the smartest guys I know. He gave an honest answer after pouring over all of the data.
That still doesn't change the fundamental issue.
Cheers
George
08-16-2011, 09:08 PM
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08-16-2011, 09:10 PM
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Recently, I flew with a senior CA, and i asked what was his primary concern in our next contract. He said pay, I said scope. It's as simple as that. He's senior, I'm junior. Our perspectives are different. I totally understand that from a guy in his mid 50s.
What the AS piece is just one pilot's objective view on the subject. From mgmt's point of view, it sounds like a good strategic move, but from a junior DL pilot's view, it's a sour lemon. To me, all these JV ventures are starting to become Boeing's, sub-contracting everything out to the lowest bidder or outside help, and DL is merely a brand that passengers recognize with. And we've all seen how well that is working out for Boeing?
What the AS piece is just one pilot's objective view on the subject. From mgmt's point of view, it sounds like a good strategic move, but from a junior DL pilot's view, it's a sour lemon. To me, all these JV ventures are starting to become Boeing's, sub-contracting everything out to the lowest bidder or outside help, and DL is merely a brand that passengers recognize with. And we've all seen how well that is working out for Boeing?
08-16-2011, 09:11 PM
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The latest ALPA letter about the Alaska codeshare leaves out a huge point IMHO, while we may not compete directly on routes we're also not growing our business and flying organically because Alaska is allowed to do all that growth. With that thought process why shouldn't we just let every other company do our flying for us while we stay stagnant and or shrink the pilot list. Why don't they show how our pilot lists have shrunk as a whole hike others are getting bet gains in positions.
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