They looked tough, too.

That rumor is 100% verified to be true. In fact, the number of total pilots is a good bit higher than that.

Wait, which airline in the Delta system are we talking about?

Can you explain to me the difference between these two activities?

Maybe they were talking about GoJet?

Forrest Gump, wilst being interviewed by Dick Cavett, with John Lennon on his right.

I gotta get a life, although it was filmed in my home town, Fightertown - Beaufort, SC. (as was The Great Santini, The Big Chill, and some Streisand film - she complained about the "noise")

[QUOTE=Denny Crane;1067594]Can't argue with the first paragraph.

As far as the second goes, I'd want to see some figures justifing the above. Not saying you're doing it but the above bolded sounds a little like crying "wolf." Let's face it, the change to the D&S plan was a concession in bankruptcy. Are you trying to tell me we got a better deal now than it was before!! Sounds like you are telling me it's "raining." If you get my drift!:)

The $60 million we are paying from the plan for sick leave every year can fund alot of survivor benefits!! And I DO look at that as our (the pilots) money.

I can't argue with the last sentence either, especially the "Show me the money" part!!!:D


I am not where I can reference numbers but you can call DALPA and get the correct info. The company can pay sick leave out of the fund however at the end of each year the company must maintain a minimum fund level in the plan. Its a large number. If the fund at the end of any year is below that number the company must fund the difference right then. If they draw 60 million out of sick leave and the fund falls below the minimum number by 60 million they have to put it right back in.

Denny, there is no question that the change to the D&S survivor benefit was a bankruptcy concession. I'm not saying it's "raining", but that it "rained." The deal we have now is not financially better than the previous D&S promise as long as that promise continues to pay. With the benefit of experience I don't want to go back to an unfunded promise to pay, as I've seen that promise broken. IF we could get a survivor annuity or some form of retiree insurance funded by Delta that's in our own name, then I might be interested. But just because the D&S Trust was unfunded in the 90's and currently has money is no guarantee that there will be money there when my survivors need it.

I don't think I'm crying wolf, but ymmv.

Gary K., 1seat, 1eng, and all those other WN guys are all over it!! :rolleyes:

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Deutsche Bank analyst Michael Linenberg downgraded Southwest (LUV) today to Hold from Buy on concerns that it will have trouble integrating Airtran, the company it bought earlier this year. Southwest plans to integrate Airtran’s routes next year.


“The key downside risk factor for LUV, in our view, is integration risk given that airline mergers are complex and time consuming as disparate technology systems, labor groups:eek:, cultures:eek:, fleets, and facilities are combined,” Linenberg writes.


He dropped his price target to $9 from $16. Southwest closed on Monday at $7.97, up 3.6%.

So I filled out my contract survey! Does the raise come automatically in next month's paycheck?

I think we all agree on the basics of providing a secure survivor benefit but finding a good way to do it remains elusive. What if it was a fund separate from Delta much like the DPMA fund? Is that something that is doable? I understand avoiding "broken promises" but having the company fund an account that is not controlled by them might be the way to go.

Your thoughts??