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Well the AF KLM contract comparison is out...

Not exactly what TO'M said we would be getting at the PTC roadshow.

This is just embarrassingly sad.

:mad::mad::mad:

vpr

So basically we'll never know.

acl65pilot

10-19-2011 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1071929)

On top of SWA +?

On top of what you already put. Point was that, if you compare the cost per employee to the airline of choice, they make significantly more than we do. It is also why we fly more block hours but have EASK's. They get the big jets that fly less block, which can spread their costs out over more seats.

My friends that are in Europe make about 13K-16K USD a month before taxes (AF/KLM/BA etc), and they pay no health care, no retirement funding, have way better trip rigs, more vacation, etc. (Tax rate varies but is between 40-55%)

Ryan Air pilots make about 250K USD a year to compare it.

vprMatrix

10-19-2011 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1071927)

I agree, and am disappointed that our JV partners will not allow it.

I say for argument's sake, up your percentage by at least 20%.

Funny, I just did that, well close to it. :D

tomgoodman

10-19-2011 01:10 PM

The Game

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Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1071858)

Assuming your interpretation is correct, then we build in some fluff.

It's almost mandatory. If you truthfully say that your opener does not contain any "throw-away" items, nobody will believe you, so you might as well include some.
There's also a psychological value in letting the other side win a few points if it helps you win the match. They have to "save face" too, and a cave-in won't do it for them, or for a mediator. Ideally, each "trade" you make should be accompanied by loud groans and quiet grins. ;)

Raging white

10-19-2011 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by vprMatrix (Post 1071915)

Well the AF KLM contract comparison is out...

Not exactly what TO'M said we would be getting at the PTC roadshow.

This is just embarrassingly sad.

:mad::mad::mad:

vpr

Uncool. Totally uncool

buzzpat

10-19-2011 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1071932)

And I will probably have the kids with me. It will be loud from 1-2, 3-5. In the AM.

Well, if Ferd is bringing the beer and knowing some of the other yahoos on this board, I think your kids will have lots of company at those hours.;)

Justdoinmyjob

10-19-2011 01:45 PM

Taking off from SAN

Something I always think about every time I take off from SAN:

http://www.sempertoons.com/Gallery_2...os/Freedom.jpg

FlyZ	10-19-2011 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Raging white (Post 1071984)

Uncool. Totally uncool

Are they seriously telling us that the AF KLM pilots would not allow a couple of general statements about their pay in relation to ours? Ie, they are paid an average of X % more per hour while working Y days average per month? They accrue Z % more vacation, etc?

Too unbelievable for me to believe. DPA is getting another card.

FlyZ	10-19-2011 02:42 PM

Just a reminder: Sending in your DPA card is NOT equivalent to sending in your absentee ballot. You are sending in your voter registration card - saying you want a chance to choose your representation. Pass it on!

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