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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 1071927)
I agree, and am disappointed that our JV partners will not allow it.
I say for argument's sake, up your percentage by at least 20%. Top Captain pay is 9,700 Euros/month after taxes. Now, for a little math: 9,700 Euros = $13,190 US Dollars Top tier French taxation is over 50% $13,190 US Dollars After taxes = about $26,380 Before taxes (conservatively) $26,380 X 12 months = $316,560 Annually. And of course with France's pseudo-socialist state, many things that we pay for are not paid for by Air France pilots. But let's leave that out of the discussion and just simply say that $316,560 Annually sounds like a great floor for our Section 6 based on our direct competitors and JV "partners". I know the NMB will agree. Here's the link I got the 9,700 euros/month figure: Air France-KLM/ jobs, payscales and entry requirements. DALPA is doing EVERYTHING in its power to keep truthful comparisons from us. WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT? Carl |
Originally Posted by FlyZ
(Post 1072015)
Are they seriously telling us that the AF KLM pilots would not allow a couple of general statements about their pay in relation to ours? Ie, they are paid an average of X % more per hour while working Y days average per month? They accrue Z % more vacation, etc?
Too unbelievable for me to believe. DPA is getting another card. Carl |
Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg
(Post 1072050)
I vote for Carl, or YOU........you can do it Timbo.....please?
Any other method leads to failure. Anything even remotely smacking of self-interested resume building leads to failure. They would call my first day at DALPA "Black Monday". Carl |
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 1072143)
Wasn't too hard to find this info for Air France pilots as of August 2011:
Top Captain pay is 9,700 Euros/month after taxes. Now, for a little math: 9,700 Euros = $13,190 US Dollars Top tier French taxation is over 50% $13,190 US Dollars After taxes = about $26,380 Before taxes (conservatively) $26,380 X 12 months = $316,560 Annually. And of course with France's pseudo-socialist state, many things that we pay for are not paid for by Air France pilots. But let's leave that out of the discussion and just simply say that $316,560 Annually sounds like a great floor for our Section 6 based on our direct competitors and JV "partners". I know the NMB will agree. Here's the link I got the 9,700 euros/month figure: Air France-KLM/ jobs, payscales and entry requirements. DALPA is doing EVERYTHING in its power to keep truthful comparisons from us. WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT? Carl |
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 1072143)
Wasn't too hard to find this info for Air France pilots as of August 2011:
Top Captain pay is 9,700 Euros/month after taxes. Now, for a little math: 9,700 Euros = $13,190 US Dollars Top tier French taxation is over 50% $13,190 US Dollars After taxes = about $26,380 Before taxes (conservatively) $26,380 X 12 months = $316,560 Annually. And of course with France's pseudo-socialist state, many things that we pay for are not paid for by Air France pilots. But let's leave that out of the discussion and just simply say that $316,560 Annually sounds like a great floor for our Section 6 based on our direct competitors and JV "partners". I know the NMB will agree. Here's the link I got the 9,700 euros/month figure: Air France-KLM/ jobs, payscales and entry requirements. Carl JFK said it best. Substitute pilots, MEC, union, elected officers, contract comparison at will :eek: The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it is in my control. And no official of my Administration, whether his rank is high or low, civilian or military, should interpret my words here tonight as an excuse to censor the news, to stifle dissent, to cover up our mistakes or to withhold from the press and the public the facts they deserve to know." |
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 1072143)
Here's the link I got the 9,700 euros/month figure: Air France-KLM/ jobs, payscales and entry requirements. |
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 1072156)
Honestly Bill, if I were elected to that job it would be a very clear strategy: Fire nearly every entrenched bureaucrat in our MEC and tell them I hope they can still pass a checkride. Then embark on a merciless strategy to make this broken down heap a bottom up organization...in effect, I'd be working to make myself an almost meaningless figure head. Nothing but an articulate spokesperson for the will of the LEC reps.
Any other method leads to failure. Anything even remotely smacking of self-interested resume building leads to failure. They would call my first day at DALPA "Black Monday". Carl |
Originally Posted by Fly4hire
(Post 1072055)
You mean one who wants to climb all the way to National and leads from the top down?
Originally Posted by Fly4hire
(Post 1072055)
T.O is doing exactly what he is supposed to do - let the process play out, let the line pilots provide their input, the Reps provide direction, and ask what you want. The process is to start with the contract survey.
Originally Posted by Fly4hire
(Post 1072055)
Don't you find it a little ironic that there is constant yelling that the MEC doesn't listen to you, but then when they are asking your input and waiting to evaluate it you accuse them of lack of leadership?
Originally Posted by Fly4hire
(Post 1072055)
If this a bottom up organization those on the bottom need to provide some leadership as well instead of just looking for someone to follow and criticizing when they don't like the way the get lead.........
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_EUEW9aop_i...00/bron38l.jpg[/QUOTE] Ah yes...the obligatory cartoon to make those that disagree with DALPA look foolish. Really man, are you even capable of posting without a cartoon? Carl |
Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 1072073)
That's what I'm saying. There is this arguement that if we get one outsourced RJ back in scope negotiations we will lose staggering amounts of barganing capital and that just isn't so. I want to see immediate, significant outsourcing reductions starting on day one and progressing rapidly over the next several years until anything over 50 seats is either parked or brought back in house. Allowed 50 seater outsourcing should be reduced in line with the company's scheduled reductions of them anyway. And turbo props should be treated like jets. A pilot block our is a pilot block hour.
I vote for gloopy to replace that dude who "doesn't really want to be here." Carl |
Originally Posted by UncleSam
(Post 1072166)
When I click that link, I get a chart which says it was last updated in 1969.
Air France-KLM jobs, payscales and entry requirements. I just clicked on it and it went right to the chart. Next to the 9,700/ month euro figure, it says it was last updated in August of 2011. Is anyone else able to successfully click this link and get the info? Carl |
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