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As long as there is one empty seat anywhere in the country, we need to keep parking planes so the LCC's can grow domestically and the subsidized foreign carriers can poach our global network with impunity.

Seesh don't you now anything about aviation?

tsquare

10-04-2011 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1064715)

Easy. Let's assume management wants to give us as little as possible. Let's further assume that they will go to borderline ruthless lengths to do so. We all know how even "true" statistics can skew the reality (like 5/4/4/4 is a "raise" when clearly it is barely a wheel spinning 4 year break even extension) it's not that big a stretch to see how management can "give" just enough top secret information to win someone's favor over lobster and brandy and then count on that guy to go to the rank and file with "trust me you want to sign this but I can't tell you why" and presto we end up with less than the best deal.

I'm not that paranoid. I would HOPE.. that our folks that do the analysis are able to get enough information to cross reference facts and figures and more importantly, fill in the holes as data are compiled. If management is not forthcoming at that point, I would smell a rat and push for more.. if that is not coming then, well it gets ugly. I think our management at this point is exhibiting smarter traits than the geniuses over at SWA because they ARE engaging the pilot group.

Roll Inverted and Pull

10-04-2011 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by georgetg (Post 1064698)

I know you know this Johnso but full planes are no accurate reflection on capacity...

There never has been over or under capacity,

You think not? Try nonreving with an S3b pass......

gloopy

10-04-2011 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1064712)

With system wide capacity down & ticket prices staying high, I believe capacity discipline can increase profits. Isn't it supply & demand?

Only if no one else adds capacity. Industry wide capacity discipline happens about zero percent of the time in this industry. Look at SWA and JB after 9-11 as well as going forward as well as the VA order book, Emirate's US ambitions, etc. Where TF is all the revenue for all THAT capacity going to come from?

NuGuy

10-04-2011 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1064557)

Hey, don't be bagging on Bourdain! I love that guy.

And, as an LA-based semi-metrosexual confidant in my manhood enough to wear a pink tie, I'm loving the food drift.:D

Back to bashing ALPA/Carl/DPA/Texas and SWA.......

When are they going to have "prostate cancer awareness month" and sell brown ties to wear?

Nu

gloopy

10-04-2011 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1064725)

My point isnt that the info is all false, but rather that what management chooses to disclose can be statistically beneficial to management. If they disclosed 100% of everything then I would agree NDA's to some extent would be a necessary evil.

I'm glad you're optimistic on that angle though. I like your judgement over all and I admit maybe I'm too suspicious at times but it's better to be over cautions than over trusting. That goes for management as well as our own with secrets to keep from us for whatever reason.

nwaf16dude

10-04-2011 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 1064730)

When are they going to have "prostate cancer awareness month" and sell brown ties to wear?

Nu

...and "Save the Bunghole" pins

georgetg

10-04-2011 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1064712)

With system wide capacity down & ticket prices staying high, I believe capacity discipline can increase profits. Isn't it supply & demand?

It can't increase profits, but it can reduce losses...

Cheers
George

Timbo

10-04-2011 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1064719)

There are always airlines expanding where we contract. Right now it's Jetblue, Virgin America, Alaska, and Hawaiian. It's usually Southwest.

Have no fear, it will be South West again, when they come to ATL!

BUT...there's a song for that:

Peter Tosh - Where You Gonna Run @ Greek Theater 1983 - YouTube :eek:

You KNOW Delta -has to- buy Alaska, they've run out of places to pull out of!

NuGuy

10-04-2011 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude (Post 1064732)

...and "Save the Bunghole" pins

In all seriousness, y'all get checked. This is a killer.

Nu

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