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scambo1 09-24-2011 05:02 AM


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 1059282)
I'm starting to get the feeling that I'm on "the list."

(I knew I shouldn't have argued that DC-9 pilots should be exempt from the yellow fever vaccine requirement.) ;)


Are you a member of the "adjustment bureau" or a target?

advice: start running

DeadHead 09-24-2011 05:50 AM

Question:
If you have a trip as a REG line guy starting at the end of the month that Spills into the next month where you are bumped back to RES, how is the trip credited to a pilot?

Is the credit spilling into the RES month considered part of the reserve flying schedule for that month, or is it credited on top of your RES guarantee for that month?

crewdawg52 09-24-2011 05:54 AM


Originally Posted by DeadHead (Post 1059369)
Question:
If you have a trip as a REG line guy starting at the end of the month that Spills into the next month where you are bumped back to RES, how is the trip credited to a pilot?

Is the credit spilling into the RES month considered part of the reserve flying schedule for that month, or is it credited on top of your RES guarantee for that month?

My understanding is what you fly in the new month is credited towards your reserve credit.

tsquare 09-24-2011 06:06 AM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1059066)
Ever try burrata with prosciutto?:D

Sounds yummy..

tsquare 09-24-2011 06:10 AM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1059221)
I loved (not really) their direction to use "absolutely critical" judiciously. Cant a lot of things be "absolutely critical?" I think so. Like, almost all of them?;)

The survey doesn't impress me. Not by a long shot.

DeadHead 09-24-2011 06:45 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1059379)
The survey doesn't impress me. Not by a long shot.

Personally, I felt the tone was more towards well "what are you willing to give up" as opposed to "what are looking for".

Do we, as a pilot group, even get to see any type of feedback from the survey? How many pilots participated? Where the majority of the pilot group fell on the issues?

I can't see any harm in releasing this to the pilot group, if anything it might send a strong united message to both ALPA and Management.

Columbia 09-24-2011 06:52 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1059379)
The survey doesn't impress me. Not by a long shot.

Sent in my dpa card...

tsquare 09-24-2011 07:09 AM


Originally Posted by DeadHead (Post 1059396)
Personally, I felt the tone was more towards well "what are you willing to give up" as opposed to "what are looking for".

Do we, as a pilot group, even get to see any type of feedback from the survey? How many pilots participated? Where the majority of the pilot group fell on the issues?

I can't see any harm in releasing this to the pilot group, if anything it might send a strong united message to both ALPA and Management.

It is not necessarily that I saw that per se. (but that is a good observation) The questions where you had to choose whether something was absolutely critical, merely critical, critical.. etc (TIC) seemed a bit managing to me. All these issues are absolutely critical IMHO. We have been on a BK contract for 10+ years now!! Almost half of my career. The problem that I see is the DALPA leadership will tout our existing contract as being industry leading in many ways, which it probably is. But that doesn't acknowledge the fact that I just intimated: we have been on a BK contract for 10+ years. Restoration (whatever that means); no, improvements on a galactic scale are absolutely paramount. And I don't know about you, but I cannot realistically rank seven items in a particular order of importance. After number 2, I am just filling it in so I can move on. I have no earthly idea whether something is 6th most important in my mind.. no wait.. it is actually 5th more important... really? I guess in a way, a survey is not really necessary. I mean, does the leadership really need a poll to determine what is/is not important to the pilot group at this point? Fire away ya'll.

Pineapple Guy 09-24-2011 07:32 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1059404)
It is not necessarily that I saw that per se. (but that is a good observation) The questions where you had to choose whether something was absolutely critical, merely critical, critical.. etc (TIC) seemed a bit managing to me. All these issues are absolutely critical IMHO. We have been on a BK contract for 10+ years now!! Almost half of my career. The problem that I see is the DALPA leadership will tout our existing contract as being industry leading in many ways, which it probably is. But that doesn't acknowledge the fact that I just intimated: we have been on a BK contract for 10+ years. Restoration (whatever that means); no, improvements on a galactic scale are absolutely paramount. And I don't know about you, but I cannot realistically rank seven items in a particular order of importance. After number 2, I am just filling it in so I can move on. I have no earthly idea whether something is 6th most important in my mind.. no wait.. it is actually 5th more important... really? I guess in a way, a survey is not really necessary. I mean, does the leadership really need a poll to determine what is/is not important to the pilot group at this point? Fire away ya'll.

tsquare, if ALPA had infinite leverage, and DAL had infinite money, then there would be no need to rank anything. We simply demand EVERYTHING.... and DAL gives it to us. Unfortunately, in the world we live in, regardless of what we think we are worth, or what we used to have, or what is "fair", our leverage is finite, and DAL's ability to give is finite; thus, there will have to be some ranking of what is most important. Even assuming we can get 99 things out of our collective top 100, everyone's top 100 is slightly different, so ALPA needs to know which item is collectively the last priority.... so they can go get the other 99.

I know in forum world we just demand C2K + COLA, plus the pension, plus the work rules, etc. etc. and management gives it to us.... after the ALPA President goes to jail for a few days because "we're all made as hell and we're not gonna take it anymore..."

But the real world is a bit different.

Columbia 09-24-2011 07:33 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1059404)
It is not necessarily that I saw that per se. (but that is a good observation) The questions where you had to choose whether something was absolutely critical, merely critical, critical.. etc (TIC) seemed a bit managing to me. All these issues are absolutely critical IMHO. We have been on a BK contract for 10+ years now!! Almost half of my career. The problem that I see is the DALPA leadership will tout our existing contract as being industry leading in many ways, which it probably is. But that doesn't acknowledge the fact that I just intimated: we have been on a BK contract for 10+ years. Restoration (whatever that means); no, improvements on a galactic scale are absolutely paramount. And I don't know about you, but I cannot realistically rank seven items in a particular order of importance. After number 2, I am just filling it in so I can move on. I have no earthly idea whether something is 6th most important in my mind.. no wait.. it is actually 5th more important... really? I guess in a way, a survey is not really necessary. I mean, does the leadership really need a poll to determine what is/is not important to the pilot group at this point? Fire away ya'll.

Interesting. I agree. I went through it thinking that not everything or even most things could be of critical importance, that I had to be reasonable with myself. After all, I can't "have it all" it's either one or the other. Similar to ordering at a restaurant with the kids: "You can only want one thing the most."
Total expectation management. Where's the question about pay: "Is it of critical importance to you that pay at least matches that of SW and soon to be Airtran?"
Where's the comparison to AF/KLM btw?


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