Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1056340)

Really?

Merged Delta was the only legacy airline not to furlough during the last downturn. In fact, Delta hired 305 since the merger. Two early out programs took a fair number of guys off the top, but even with the retirement of two uneconomic fleets there were no furloughs.

That reality conflicts with the perception posted above. Merger setting them back?:rolleyes: Ask the bottom 1450 at UAL, the bottom 10% of Alaska, the bottom 1700 at AMR, the 147 at CAL. Heck, even a bunch of the regionals furloughed. That's being set back.

Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1056442)

He's also on pace to throw 64 interceptions and never win a game in the NFL.;)

Those would be records also.

Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1056467)

History shows you can't make that assumption.

Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1056376)

Slow,

All true, but little consolation for a lot of our junior guys. We are stagnating. Guys off the top don't really help guys on the bottom too much if we don't hire and grow.

For example, and I do realize that this is exaggerated, but it makes the point. If the top 25% leave the 2nd quartile is now mostly the top (huge benefit). The third quartile moves up to mostly the 2nd (large benefit) but the bottom 25% are pretty much still the bottom, albeit now reaching up to 33% on the list (marginal to zero benefit).

Granted UAL and AMR are worse but every Pilot hired after about 1999 would be making more if they instead went to Southwest, FDX, Jet Blue, Virgin (mostly), Atlas, and who knows who else.

I am hoping our next contract will change that and who knows what the future holds, but as of now every Pilot hired after around 1999 at the worlds biggest airline would have been better off going to a lot of other airlines. I would think this would be a concern for all DAL Pilots - realizing that guys would have been better off going to LCC's.

This is why the junior guys fixate on Scope.

Scoop

Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1056376)

Slow,

All true, but little consolation for a lot of our junior guys. We are stagnating. Guys off the top don't really help guys on the bottom too much if we don't hire and grow.

For example, and I do realize that this is exaggerated, but it makes the point. If the top 25% leave the 2nd quartile is now mostly the top (huge benefit). The third quartile moves up to mostly the 2nd (large benefit) but the bottom 25% are pretty much still the bottom, albeit now reaching up to 33% on the list (marginal to zero benefit).

Granted UAL and AMR are worse but every Pilot hired after about 1999 would be making more if they instead went to Southwest, FDX, Jet Blue, Virgin (mostly), Atlas, and who knows who else.

I am hoping our next contract will change that and who knows what the future holds, but as of now every Pilot hired after around 1999 at the worlds biggest airline would have been better off going to a lot of other airlines. I would think this would be a concern for all DAL Pilots - realizing that guys would have been better off going to LCC's.

This is why the junior guys fixate on Scope.

Scoop

Originally Posted by PilotFrog (Post 1056501)

Hey Carl, in the latest Trade-a-Plane there is a 747-400 listed for only $26m. Time to get your airline up and running!

1992 BOEING 747-400 Jet Aircraft For Sale At Controller.com

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1056473)

Hey come on now, after yesterday if the Packers keep it up they'll also give up 6,000+ yards on passing defense at the end of the regular season. :D

And Newton would have 32 int's if the average held. Which is 1/4 of what Big Ben is out to do on turnovers and they'll probably still make the playoffs.