Meh, it's just that one guy over there that I like to stir up. In his case, all he has is his paycheck to throw in everybody's face. It's all about the money, right?? I'm guessing that when our contract (and UAL, and AMR) puts SWA back in the also-rans where they have always been, he'll disappear back to whatever hole he crawled out of. Until then, it's a lot of fun to stir the pot...

And if he badmouthed my Big Orange.. well... that's just too much. :cool:

I think he also joined the Pentaveret...after the Colonel went "tets up":

YouTube - ‪So I Married An Axe Murderer(colonel sanders scene)‬‏

(I feel your pain Buzz...)


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Heyas T,

Here's the problem with some of the SWA guy's position:

1) 20 year career expectation for a SWA pilot: 737 captain
20 year career expectation for a AT pilot: 737 captain

2) The paycheck that the SWA guys receive is between them and the company. If the company decides to pay the AT guys the same amount of money, not one DIME comes out of the SWA pilot's pocket, unless you use some "maybe, kinda, sorta in the future that was going to be our money" reasoning, which arbitrators never listen to. They are usually VERY good at separating out seniority issues (which are between pilots) from purely financial issues (which are between the pilots and the company).

3) If you use any kind of integration method that would pass muster at SWA (remember, they get MEMRAT for the SLI, as do the AirTran pilots), it will get voted down at AT, and vice versa.

4) The first thing an arbitrator will look at is "can I mush these guys together so as to not cause any harm to any party". If you start taking seats away from the AT guys, which practically all of the methods that the SWA guys are proposing would do, then harm has been done.

Conversely, if you do a relative seniority merge, no one gets harmed, at least directly and in the easily defineable immediate future.. No one has lost any CURRENT bidding power. Arbitrators are loath to engage in "what if" games.

5) If the SWA guys want to get some credit for their older pilot group, they might consider a pull and plug methodolgy similar to the DAL/NWA merger. It's got precedent, and arbitrators LOVE precedent, and it might net them a couple of hundred spots on the list, although the net might be zero if the ratio was tweaked ahead of time to account for it.

As for funding AAIs SLI....I'm told they had a major contingency fund that was kept in their name after the ALPA merger, so they have a fairly large warchest independent from ALPA.

Nu

He's a REALLY bad man! I had no idea he was part of the Pentaveret too!!!;)

Nu made all of my points :cool:

Never mind.

Any good beach ideas for June
 

hey guys/gals...need to see a beach with the kids ages 9,11. either drive from the ATL; or fly to a non rev friendly location. of course, interline discounts always welcome.

any good trip reports out there?

thx

Last year I took my family and the neighbors to the holiday inn resort on front beach road at panama city beach. I called between 9-5 m-f and talked to the reservation agent at the hotel. We got two rooms for $70 a night with our airline discount. I joined the priority club and got a few free cocktails each night. The regular rate was $200+ a night. Its right on the beach, water park for the kids, game room, karaoke, and other kids activities. Liquor store across the street for cheap florida booze for mom and dad. Lots of cheap fun for a quick getaway.

Our other adventures take us to Tybee island. The beach on the south side is fun. We drag a cooler full of beer to the beach and watch the kiddo's swim.

Last weekend was spent camping at westpoint lake with the boat floating 20' away from the tent!!! The lake is nice and warm now. There are a couple good sandy beaches. One at pyne road park and the other is on cameron mill road.

Plenty of good options. Alot of people like the panhandle of Florida but I've always liked the Carolina Coast.

Check out Wilmington, NC. Nice beaches and not super expensive. I'd drive it. Easy drive and then you'll have a car when you get there. We've gotten a beach house there with friends a few times and it's pretty nice.

Tybee Island has the same feel and is probably a little shorter drive. Plus with Tybee you could check out Savannah for a little distraction if the beach gets boring for the kids.

Not sure what you are looking for, lots of ATL peeps drive down to the FL Panhandle. I wouldn't call it non-rev friendly, however, Vision recently started a hub in VPS most of their tickets to/from ATL are under $100 one way. If you catch them on the right day it can be $39 each way.

ATL-PNS is mostly M88 and ATL-ECP has 2 mainline a day.

Someone else will have to chime in about Myrtle Beach.

You could also drive to FL Panhandle in 5-6 hrs depending on where you start from in the ATL Metro area.