Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1001030)

First, no one wants to make it easy to violate scope, so I don't know why you start with this emotional statement. Both the DAL and NWA contracts allowed management to own subsidiaries as long as those subsidiaries flew permitted aircraft. ASA, Comair, Compass, Mesaba, were all examples of this. Now I understand your argument that this is NOT how you want our Section 1 to read, but in fact Section 1 was not violated by any of those transactions, at either airline, so let's not start with a scope violation.

Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1000693)

80 you're thinking as a pilot and are forgetting the management side of the equation as well as the legal side of it.

We pilots assign a hierarchy to our profession, that being:
student -> private -> commercial -> flight instructor -> regional -> mainline -> astronaut -> NewK

However, the legal system and management don't see it that way. All they see are:
Current rates of pay -> career expectations

The problem lies in the career expectations, since management can tweak this in favor of the regional pilots if they want leverage against mainline pilots.

Imagine I was management at Delta and wanted to get concessions out of your group. All I have to do is say I will merge you guys with Comair and you are pretty much forced into those concessions. However, as management I can't overstep to the point you guys start voting with your feet.

Merging with Comair might not seem as bad as it sounds, but remember as management I still have 76 seat scope relief so after all is said and done I can send their planes to Skywest. However, before I do that I set Comair's contract rates to $500 an hour, which doesn't matter since the planes are going away. But this puts them in a position to have all of Delta stapled below them in a SLI. This is since both their current rates and career expectations are now way above that of any mainline pilot.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1001097)

Gloopy,

He's just illustrating the absurdity of the idea the "management decides to merge airlines, we have no say in the matter" with a silly example.

Originally Posted by Ferd149 (Post 1001102)

Hey Figmo,

Good to meet ya in LAX this morning! APC reunion......I vote FTB party planner :-)

Ferd

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1001134)

I don't want to be on the party planning committee.

http://blstb.msn.com/i/3D/5F46AED3EF...78F6546A76.jpg

Oh wait, maybe I do...

http://iworkattheoffice.files.wordpr...er_300x400.jpg

Actually, they sure make Angela look frumpy on camera but off camera not so much:

http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/200...kinsey-300.jpg

Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 1001040)

Are we married?:p