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TSQUARE, MAN UP. (doing fine thanks for asking, cheers).
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RSV question
I understand that days off are prorated in vacation months. Are SC days also, or can they still nab you with 6?
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1001043)
This post is so factually incorrect that it might as well be pure fiction. I am sure others will jump in. Just to keep a couple of key facts. Delta was and is permitted to operate feeder airlines. DALPA has no say at all in a choice to merge those airlines. We don't today and never did. Management decides to merge companies not pilots unless we have specific clauses in our contract.
In the case of NWA an Delta both airlines had specific clauses in their contract that required the lists and airlines be merged. Management had no choice. It was never a option for Dalpa to merge any feeder airlines seniority list into ours. Management maintains and controls the seniority list in compliance with our contract. The best we could have done is ask management to please merge the airlines and the answer would always have been not a chance in hell from management. Sailing, I will jump in. Regardless of what you think of Bars post overall, he is spot on with the following statement: "One result of not merging ASA & Comair was Delta pilots being furloughed while the regionals hired rapidly to replace them. Even you must admit, that is CLEAR evidence of a scope failure when one division of Delta flushes and hires those furloughed pilots to replace themselves at much lower wages. That is what happens when union leadership decides against unity." Our Scope allowed DAL to replace over 1000 Pilots after 911. At the same time our passengers were still flying to the same cities on DAL tickets - its just that DAL Pilots were not flying them. :cool: Scoop |
Originally Posted by JobHopper
(Post 1000912)
Thanks for the clarificaiton; I did not understand all the possibiilties. I think #2 would be the most effective way to end the practice.
Disagree. This is a "no cost" item to fix. The trip pays the same to whomever flies it, so the company is not out one penny. How much negotiating capital is expended fixing no cost items? I would hope none. The obstacle is the number of guys who benefit from this system. My sense is there are quite a few, or this would not be an issue. I'm not against guys making money, but it should be done in a less devious way. Another very simple answer is to remove the pickup cap. If it's legal and you are senior enough to WS it and get a 150 month, more power to you. NWA had a system similar to this; they didn't care how much time you picked up, but if a trip put you past 80 hrs the guys who were below 80 had first shot. The same logic could be applied to the cap. |
What is trip parking?
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Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy
(Post 1001206)
What is trip parking?
JH, Not sure that would solve the problem. I will explain trip parking as I see it ( I am no expert on this and am sure some kind soul will tactfully point out any errors). I think trip parking is total BS and should be stopped. Pilot Hosebag has a line with the following trips on it: Trip AA - 25 Hours credit Trip BB - 25 Hours credit Trip CC - 25 Hours credit Hosebag has a 75 month and we will assume his max pick-up is 15 hours or a limit of 90 hours of credit. Hosebag sees a 20 hour trip in Open time (Trip - FU) that would fit nicely in his schedule. He would like to pick it up via a white-slip. Alas, poor Hosebag is limited by his 15 hour pickup (due to contractual ALV limits) and his attempted white-slip is denied. Hosebag, being quite resourceful, is not to be denied. Hosebag gives Trip AA to his buddy, lets call him Douche, via the Swap with Friends board. This is the important part and will come to play shortly - The Swap with friends board has no Max pickup or ALV limit. Now Hosebag has a 50 hour month and successful picks up Trip - FU via a white slip. Now Hosebag has a 70 hour month consisting of Trips BB, CC, and FU. Now for the pièce de résistance - Douch gives Trip AA back to Hosebag via the Swap with Friends Board. Note- Although this contractually this exceeds his maximum credit of 90 hours (he now has a 95 hour month) and was previously prevented by the max pick-up limit as a straight White-slip, it is now successfully processed due to a loop-hole in the Swap with friends board has now gone through. Now lets consider a few things. Did Hosebag do anything wrong? No, he simply used the contract to his advantage. Fine, although I think its wrong, I do not begrudge this to him, but lets close the loophole. It is quite simple and can be done one of either two ways: 1. Make Max pick-up applies to Swap with friends also. 2. Once you give up a Trip with the Swap with Friends board you can not take back the same trip. Make it a one way operation. So back to JH's original post. Hosebag did not trade anything from the WS board. The trip he picked up via WS he has kept. It was a trip originally on his line that he "parked." Scoop |
Originally Posted by Ferd149
(Post 1001102)
Hey Figmo,
Good to meet ya in LAX this morning! APC reunion......I vote FTB party planner :-) Ferd FTB needs to be the party planner for sure. Something tells me he is into that whole Hookers and Fire Trucks party theme! |
Originally Posted by rahc
(Post 1001187)
I understand that days off are prorated in vacation months. Are SC days also, or can they still nab you with 6?
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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude
(Post 1001200)
Anything that requires more pilots to fly the same amount of hours is not a "no cost" item. You can bet that the company actually loves trip parking. Any change to eliminate it would meet huge resistance. It may not change expenses for the current month much, but over time it will reduce reserves required, overall headcount, and degrade the quality of life of the entire pilot group. Every time someone "scores big" with a huge month of straight-pay hours, it hurts us. Yeah, the individuals might have a great month, but it is not a win for the pilot group as a whole. Sometimes the Union needs to protect us from ourselves.
My heartburn is with the devious nature of trip parking. I shouldn't be forced to develop a circle of "friends" in order to avail myself of some extra time. DALPA put the ALV cap in the contract to prevent what goes on in the regionals with their 90+ hour months. But then they also built in a system to completely circumvent it. Unfortunately, that system is only available to people in the "in crowd" and smacks of cronyism. It is just plain wrong and should be eliminated. |
Is this the Twilight Zone?
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