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Originally Posted by FIIGMO
(Post 1001219)
Back at you Ferd! SO relieved that you did not have a green psoriasis condition!
FTB needs to be the party planner for sure. Something tells me he is into that whole Hookers and Fire Trucks party theme! Carl |
Originally Posted by georgetg
(Post 1001268)
Since the history of major airlines pay rates vs Southwest keeps coming up, here's a chart from Southwest's SWAPA:
(keep in mind that DAL traditionally was at or near the top of the major airline pay scales so move that orage "industry" line up a few thou...) Source: SWAPALuv | Your Source of Information on the Southwest/Airtran Acquisition Cheers George |
One of my friends at SWA with the average amount of trips flown like in the brochure said that was about 60 hours a month!!!
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Originally Posted by TheWagman
(Post 1001314)
One of my friends at SWA with the average amount of trips flown like in the brochure said that was about 60 hours a month!!!
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 1001086)
With three part harmony you each accept alter ego replacement of our pilots.
The only "acceptance" I see is you and acl saying you want to fix ALPA from within. This is our current reality. What is the Bucking Bar plan to change the contract language? Carl |
Originally Posted by Reroute
(Post 1001296)
I would only add that the "representatives" were reflecting the priorities of the pilots they "represented."
I clearly remember jumpseating on a 767 discussing C2K and the 70 seater when the captain, based on all of his airline experience and wisdom :rolleyes:, confidently stated; "don't ever worry about an aircraft below your seniority number." I just believe that had the pilots in command of the pilots in command :D had had the big picture in mind they could've made pilots aware of what could happen and nipped this before it got started and long before regional jets out numbered mainline jets 619 to 514. I'd blame the pilots and there were a lot who deserve to be blamed, but Carl is right to push back and say not every pilot bought into this back then. I remember AMR's pilots demanding that any RJ be flown by mainline. But people bought into the CRJ-100 as a Brasilia/ATR/Saab replacement and never realized it'd be a 732 and DC9 replacement and therein pushing the smaller jets to replace the bigger jets throughout the domestic fleet. And people signed off on pilots who had PFT and $12,000/yr starting salaries flying replacement jets, it was outsourcing to the lowest and most abused bidder. What I am really saying is basically we needed someone to have seen the CRJ-100 for what it would become. That takes a lot of wacky imagination in 1993 but had someone at ALPA realized it and said no when the opportunity arose where would we be today? Imagine if we had SWA scope? Well, in the end, we're left watching the ship sail hoping we can get it back. :Eek: http://www.jasonbennion.com/images/titanic_last-pic.jpg |
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 1001326)
You're not listening Bar. I'm saying no such thing, and neither is alpharomeo or sailingfun. I DO NOT "accept" this at all. But that is the result of a very weak Section 1, a management that drives hard for any advantage against us, and a union that will NOT even defend the Section 1 that we have.
Carl In this post you write "that is the result of a very weak Section 1, a management that drives hard for any advantage against us, and a union that will NOT even defend the Section 1 that we have." In your previous posts you excuse these actions by jumping on board with the "it isn't our fault, management did it" justification. Which is it? The very first step to getting a good, effective, scope section is to reverse our internal policies which led us to this point. We have to stop excusing past failure, evaluate our errors candidly and study what has worked. You and I share frustration that we are not there. Those in charge don't feel they've made mistakes and certainly don't want to critically evaluate policies which they feel have been successful. Blaming management is easy political pap, but doing so does not protect us in the future. It is my opinion the Federal Reserve has backed itself into a corner from where it has no choice but to keep pumping out money to avoid it's own insolvency. The Fed's huge pool of low interest rate mortgage backed assets will collapse in value if interest rates rise and the market for 30 year debt at 4.5% declines. Action to support the dollar would result in a deflationary depression, which would be very painful politically. The easier and more likely result is further QE 3 which will result in increasing prices for everything, but particularly increasing prices for dollar based commodities, like oil. Deleveraging can take many different forms. One form is the reduction of debt based by dollars with less real value. In monetary terms this keeps the Fed's own balance sheet solvent while eventually commodity prices drive housing upwards. The middle class will come under increased pressure as their wages fail to keep pace with inflation. Financial instability is not good for Delta Air Lines, or our pilots. Like other middle class citizens, our ability to match pay to inflation is very limited. At the same time our customer base is going to have their discretionary dollars squeezed at a time when Delta will have to increase prices to cover its increasing costs. As we enter a period which makes our replacement jets even more costly, there will be increasing pressure to outsource work. We've done nothing to correct our scope language despite its repeated history of failure. I'm sorry to step on toes. You, Sailing, Slow, Alpha and the rest are all good folks with your hearts in the right place, but there are storm clouds on the horizon and if we are to protect our pilots we need to get serious about that task. |
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 1001341)
I am listening, but you are contradicting yourself.
In this post you write "that is the result of a very weak Section 1, a management that drives hard for any advantage against us, and a union that will NOT even defend the Section 1 that we have." In your previous posts you excuse these actions by jumping on board with the "it isn't our fault, management did it" justification. Which is it? The very first step to getting a good, effective, scope section is to reverse our internal policies which led us to this point. We have to stop excusing past failure, evaluate our errors candidly and study what has worked. You and I share frustration that we are not there. Those in charge don't feel they've made mistakes and certainly don't want to critically evaluate policies which they feel have been successful. Blaming management is easy political pap, but doing so does not protect us in the future. It is my opinion the Federal Reserve has backed itself into a corner from where it has no choice but to keep pumping out money to avoid it's own insolvency. The Fed's huge pool of low interest rate mortgage backed assets will collapse in value if interest rates rise and the market for 30 year debt at 4.5% declines. Action to support the dollar would result in a deflationary depression, which would be very painful politically. The easier and more likely result is further QE 3 which will result in increasing prices for everything, but particularly increasing prices for dollar based commodities, like oil. Deleveraging can take many different forms. One form is the reduction of debt based by dollars with less real value. In monetary terms this keeps the Fed's own balance sheet solvent while eventually commodity prices drive housing upwards. The middle class will come under increased pressure as their wages fail to keep pace with inflation. Financial instability is not good for Delta Air Lines, or our pilots. Like other middle class citizens, our ability to match pay to inflation is very limited. At the same time our customer base is going to have their discretionary dollars squeezed at a time when Delta will have to increase prices to cover its increasing costs. As we enter a period which makes our replacement jets even more costly, there will be increasing pressure to outsource work. We've done nothing to correct our scope language despite its repeated history of failure. I'm sorry to step on toes. You, Sailing, Slow, Alpha and the rest are all good folks with your hearts in the right place, but there are storm clouds on the horizon and if we are to protect our pilots we need to get serious about that task. |
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1001270)
Now now now, FTB isn't as crazy as one might think. The anonymous web postings allows him to do stuff he doesn't normally do, like talk in 3rd person, and post fun pictures. But FTB isn't quite as much fun as you think, he doesn't even drink beer.
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
(Post 1001350)
Man, FTB, if you DID drink beer one can only imagine the hilarity that would ensue!:D
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