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acl65pilot 05-24-2011 05:49 PM


Originally Posted by hoserpilot (Post 998085)
Last year I took my family and the neighbors to the holiday inn resort on front beach road at panama city beach. I called between 9-5 m-f and talked to the reservation agent at the hotel. We got two rooms for $70 a night with our airline discount. I joined the priority club and got a few free cocktails each night. The regular rate was $200+ a night. Its right on the beach, water park for the kids, game room, karaoke, and other kids activities. Liquor store across the street for cheap florida booze for mom and dad. Lots of cheap fun for a quick getaway.

Our other adventures take us to Tybee island. The beach on the south side is fun. We drag a cooler full of beer to the beach and watch the kiddo's swim.

Last weekend was spent camping at westpoint lake with the boat floating 20' away from the tent!!! The lake is nice and warm now. There are a couple good sandy beaches. One at pyne road park and the other is on cameron mill road.

I will second the Holiday Inn in Destin. It is not exactly a "Resort" but I got about the same deal you did and the kiddos loved it. They have games and activities for the kiddos, and it is close to everything. If I recall Pizza Hit is across the street! :D

Pool is nice, kiddie pool is great for little ones, and the indoor pool was too cold. Rooms were kind of small in the tower (circle type of deal) but they had a microwave and a a 36 inch fridge which always comes in handy with the kiddos.

Overall it is a plus with kids. I have stayed in the Hilton in Sand Destin as well. It is very nice but you are looking at well over 150-250 a night unless there is some freak event and there are tons of rooms available. It had a great buffet, and all of the furnishings a three/four star property normally have. We called down there over Mother's Day weekend a few years ago and got rooms for 59 a night. I tried that for summer and they were booked.

The mommies like Destin since there is plenty of shopping and decent restaurants to go to at night.

There are a lot of places to go within five hrs of ATL.

DAL 88 Driver 05-24-2011 06:35 PM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 997971)
I'm guessing that when our contract (and UAL, and AMR) puts SWA back in the also-rans where they have always been, he'll disappear back to whatever hole he crawled out of.

Are you sure about that? I think I've asked you this question before. At SWA, a domestic narrowbody Captain is currently averaging over $230K/year and averaging over 18 days off per month. If you look at our C2K MD-88 Captain rate, assume an average 75 hours/month, and adjust for inflation, that same MD-88 Captain would be making $250k/year today. I realize what you said has been the conventional wisdom around here, but I'm not so sure it's accurate. Doesn't sound to me like SWA was all that far behind us, even when we had C2K. And then when you factor in that our domestic narrowbody Captains have been making about $100K LESS per year than a SWA domestic narrowbody Captain for the past SIX YEARS... well, that sure doesn't put them in the "also-rans" category, and we would have to get one heck of a kick @ss restoration-plus-a-whole-bunch contract to even make up enough ground to catch up with them. And with DALPA not even talking restoration, how do you see that working out for ya?

scambo1 05-24-2011 06:49 PM

DAL;

Keep beating the drum. Folks have to let their reps know what their expectations are. Without the DB, it is an awful lot easier to compare apples to apples. I do expect SWA plus (in terms of total compensation w-2, + 401 + all cash/non-cash pay variables) for domestic narrowbody, graduated by guage upward.

I also expect SWA's scope. Ok, strong movement toward it.

shiznit 05-24-2011 06:56 PM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 998175)
DAL;

Keep beating the drum. Folks have to let their reps know what their expectations are. Without the DB, it is an awful lot easier to compare apples to apples. I do expect SWA plus (in terms of total compensation w-2, + 401 + all cash/non-cash pay variables) for domestic narrowbody, graduated by guage upward.

I also expect SWA's scope. Ok, strong movement toward it.

Ditto. My rep is aware of my stance and is of the same mindset.

Note to all: Make a Top 10 "want list" (bullet points). The P2P guys were told to start collecting and passing them on, I was asked and did one last rotation.

sinca3 05-24-2011 06:58 PM


Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 998166)
Are you sure about that? I think I've asked you this question before. At SWA, a domestic narrowbody Captain is currently averaging over $230K/year and averaging over 18 days off per month. If you look at our C2K MD-88 Captain rate, assume an average 75 hours/month, and adjust for inflation, that same MD-88 Captain would be making $250k/year today. I realize what you said has been the conventional wisdom around here, but I'm not so sure it's accurate. Doesn't sound to me like SWA was all that far behind us, even when we had C2K. And then when you factor in that our domestic narrowbody Captains have been making about $100K LESS per year than a SWA domestic narrowbody Captain for the past SIX YEARS... well, that sure doesn't put them in the "also-rans" category, and we would have to get one heck of a kick @ss restoration-plus-a-whole-bunch contract to even make up enough ground to catch up with them. And with DALPA not even talking restoration, how do you see that working out for ya?

Why are you comparing an M88 to SWA 737 rates? How about 73 vs 73 to begin the argument.
SWA has never lead the industry in any monetary capacity for crew! They have always been one step behind the legacy carriers and when said legacy carriers gave concessions SWA did not. That alone put them ahead on pay rates not any strategic negotiating by SWAPA! The only thing I would have ever wanted in their contracts and the current one included is the SCOPE section.

LuvJockey 05-24-2011 06:59 PM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 998175)
dal;

keep beating the drum. Folks have to let their reps know what their expectations are. Without the db, it is an awful lot easier to compare apples to apples. I do expect swa plus (in terms of total compensation w-2, + 401 + all cash/non-cash pay variables) for domestic narrowbody, graduated by guage upward.

I also expect swa's scope. Ok, strong movement toward it.

I think that the only way that you're going to see that is if you put in an application. I hear that the window will be opening again, soon.

Cripes, you guys need your own private board. How can you expect to negotiate a contract when you don't even have a freaking private forum??????????

scambo1 05-24-2011 07:12 PM


Originally Posted by LuvJockey (Post 998181)
I think that the only way that you're going to see that is if you put in an application. I hear that the window will be opening again, soon.


Despite your obvious flame, after flying a blissful 5000+ hours in SWA's super-premium-narrowbody-life sentance, I have graduated from the joys of domestic aviation and the ever so exciting search for another rock bottom. Never to return. Is that really all you 've got. updownupdownupdownupdownflynakedcomparewatches.

tsquare 05-24-2011 07:13 PM


Originally Posted by LuvJockey (Post 998181)
I think that the only way that you're going to see that is if you put in an application. I hear that the window will be opening again, soon.

Cripes, you guys need your own private board. How can you expect to negotiate a contract when you don't even have a freaking private forum??????????

I wouldn't trade places with your number 1 captain. not that there's any difference between the number 1 and the number 200... but up and down.. up and down... repeat for 30 years ain't my cup of tea. Speaking of which... Anybody been to the Brown Door in Beijing? Great tea there.. and the beer is pretty cheap too. :D

LuvJockey 05-24-2011 07:26 PM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 998195)
Despite your obvious flame, after flying a blissful 5000+ hours in SWA's super-premium-narrowbody-life sentance, I have graduated from the joys of domestic aviation and the ever so exciting search for another rock bottom. Never to return. Is that really all you 've got. updownupdownupdownupdownflynakedcomparewatches.

Well first of all, you spelled sentence wrong. 2nd of all, I don't know of anybody that spent 6 years at SWA to depart to Delta unless they got fired, then I doubt that Delta would take you. You would have had to be in the left seat by the time you left SWA, so the financial loss that you would have experienced over the last years would have been staggering. If that's the case, by all means tell me your story.

LuvJockey 05-24-2011 07:27 PM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 998197)
I wouldn't trade places with your number 1 captain. not that there's any difference between the number 1 and the number 200... but up and down.. up and down... repeat for 30 years ain't my cup of tea. Speaking of which... Anybody been to the Brown Door in Beijing? Great tea there.. and the beer is pretty cheap too. :D

What's so great about it - that you can afford a beer?

(I know that the money thing gets you going)


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