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buzzpat 09-23-2011 02:13 PM

On the survey, question #13, under Scope, can someone explain to me what "Alter Ego" is? Thanks. Trying like hell to get this right.

MoonShot 09-23-2011 02:25 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1059125)
On the survey, question #13, under Scope, can someone explain to me what "Alter Ego" is? Thanks. Trying like hell to get this right.

Search TransStates/Gojet.

buzzpat 09-23-2011 02:29 PM


Originally Posted by MoonShot (Post 1059127)
Search TransStates/Gojet.

Ahhh, got it. Thanks Moon.

shiznit 09-23-2011 02:39 PM


Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1058280)
Well that does seem to be the conventional wisdom on our MEC. But I don't agree. I think a strong case can be made for SWA W2 compensation at a minimum and C2K+COLA at a maximum. A sound, professional case needs to be made for this, not "demands." But it sure is a lot easier to come up with excuses why something difficult can't be done than it is to buckle down and determine to achieve it.

Sadly, Rather B Fishin's line of thinking is exactly what I think we're going to ultimately see from this MEC. They just can't come out and say it in so many words right now because they would have a revolt on their hands and would likely be replaced with DPA. If they wait until we're actually into Section 6, they know it will be infinitely more difficult to replace them.

CW from who? Not my reps, not my reps from my previous base.

I think that the MEC will know what the MAJORITY of the pilots want based on a high completion rate on the survey.

A sound case will be made with the NC and the professional negotiators.

"Buckle down and achieve it".....Like UCAL, AA, LCC? Like SWA who has never set a bar for pilot compensation and has had a part in bringing the legacy packages DOWN over the last 25 years?

News flash.....It doesn't matter what you or I WANT!!!!

It only matters what the Company will say yes to, and if they won't say yes, then whatever it takes to convince a majority of the voting members of the NMB think is a legitimate offer and that we should be allowed decline a Proffer of Aribtration and start a 30-day cooling off period to press our case.

Nothing else will affect an outcome to our liking.

Changing the bargaining agent will not improve our ability to do the above. ALPA has a better track record of successfully arguing in front of the NMB than any other representational agency available.

Again, why would any REP benefit from not maximizing the value of a new PWA? They have to work and feed their families' under the agreement like anyone else!!!!!!

Bill Lumberg 09-23-2011 03:09 PM


Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1059130)
CW from who? Not my reps, not my reps from my previous base.

I think that the MEC will know what the MAJORITY of the pilots want based on a high completion rate on the survey.

A sound case will be made with the NC and the professional negotiators.

"Buckle down and achieve it".....Like UCAL, AA, LCC? Like SWA who has never set a bar for pilot compensation and has had a part in bringing the legacy packages DOWN over the last 25 years?

News flash.....It doesn't matter what you or I WANT!!!!

It only matters what the Company will say yes to, and if they won't say yes, then whatever it takes to convince a majority of the voting members of the NMB think is a legitimate offer and that we should be allowed decline a Proffer of Aribtration and start a 30-day cooling off period to press our case.

Nothing else will affect an outcome to our liking.

Changing the bargaining agent will not improve our ability to do the above. ALPA has a better track record of successfully arguing in front of the NMB than any other representational agency available.

Again, why would any REP benefit from not maximizing the value of a new PWA? They have to work and feed their families' under the agreement like anyone else!!!!!!

The Q&A up North sounded a lot like that. "Aim Low" so the NMB doesn't get mad and throw us in a corner was the theme. Just because the APA Chair demanded a 50% immediate raise, that should mean we shouldn't even attempt anything close to restoration, because, seemingly according to these specific reps, we must be just like AA, in everyones' minds. (especially the NMB) Even though the financials aren't even close, because we are similarly sized, we must be THE SAME. The bag tag stickers should read "Aim Low" and "Shallow it out a bit."

Scoop 09-23-2011 03:35 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1058721)
LOL. No, this guy was a crack up, and a superb pilot. New to the jet, but great hands and a great life view. We covered the whole merger thing and were laughing our asses off the entire time. Great guy and a great trip.


I also just flew my first trip with a FNW guy. Great guy, he even bought the beer!

Scoop

Elliot 09-23-2011 03:37 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1059121)
I think you're shooting way low at 3000. Everybody I've flown with in the last year intends to take it. You might have been right 10 years ago but guys have had enough of all give and no take.

I hope so Buzz.

I'll personally stand outside headquarters in a "GUMBY" outfit handing out copies of the paper survey if it gets all 12,000 to take it. (Whatdya say FTB?:))

Some real strong buzzwords (no pun intended towards your handle:)) are being used on this forum, to include "UNITY". Let's really see if this group has it. This is the first of many tests to come.

Hoping for the best,

GJ

KC10 FATboy 09-23-2011 03:49 PM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1059148)
I also just flew my first trip with a FNW guy. Great guy, he even bought the beer!

Scoop

It's taken you this long? Where the hell have you been? On the 777?

Scoop 09-23-2011 03:58 PM


Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 1059160)
It's taken you this long? Where the hell have you been? On the 777?

LAX 73N. But its not my fault - all the FNW CAPTs have a special line in PBS to request Buzzpat as their FO. :p

Scoop

orvil 09-23-2011 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by orvil (Post 1059033)

Orvil, the mkt has a case of the fridays. I suspect it will close where it opened. I am eyeballin ERX as a buy and hold realizing it may go lower. Thats my fuel hedging plan. Thinkin 30.72-30.92 prior to the close.

I'm not posting this for anyone to take personal action or as a recommendation. DYODD.

If I buy, I'll let cha know so everyone can see how badly i screwed up.:D

Too late Scambo1, I've already got ERX stock with calls at a much higher cost. But, it's a position that I planned to dollar cost average into. Great premiums.

Could go as low as 23. Depends on your strategy as to how you play it. It's not likely to go out of business.


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