Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1059564)

Many, many years? Really?

Originally Posted by flyguy1 (Post 1059570)

Your stats assume everyone retires at 65. In the real world a minority have made it to 65. I keep hearing 62-63 is the current average age for retirements. If those numbers hold up we will see 737 retire between now and 2013.
Another piece that must be looked at is training events as a result of retirements. At one point, if a 747-400 Captain retired, it caused 6 training events. If that is still true, Delta must train over 4000 pilots in 3 years. Those training events are going to be a bigger strain on the training department than new-hire training.
Just a thought.

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1059572)

That is a relative term. "Many" for you is a lot more than it is for either myself or Timbo.

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1059574)

That's true, but I say you guys are still young at heart! :D

Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1059530)

The 5/4/4/4 guys took a 3-5% pay cut while the nothing for 4 year guys took a 25ish% pay cut.

COLA IS NOT A RAISE!!!!!

Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1059530)

To any extent that we have to stroke off the NMB we should humbly make the case for profitable low cost carrier parity with SWA for narrowbodies and up from there, with reasonable premiums above to account for our significant revenue per pilot advantages. "Hundred seater" pay rates would be indexed to Jet Blue's E190 rates, another profitable low cost carrier with significantly lower revenues per pilot, so appropriate, reasonable premiums above that would obviously be in order.

You can make the case that we shouldn't focus on the rhetoric of restoration because it can and will be perceived as emotional drivel by those who hold power over our negotiating process and that would be a rational argument. That's why we should instead focus on low cost parity with reasonable premiums. The end result is about the same, and just might not get us parked for 5 years. But "going for" COLA or slightly below is a non starter. Better to wait it out and strike if that's all we can get (which I don't believe is the case anyway).

Originally Posted by flyguy1 (Post 1059570)

Your stats assume everyone retires at 65. In the real world a minority have made it to 65. I keep hearing 62-63 is the current average age for retirements. If those numbers hold up we will see 737 retire between now and 2013.
Another piece that must be looked at is training events as a result of retirements. At one point, if a 747-400 Captain retired, it caused 6 training events. If that is still true, Delta must train over 4000 pilots in 3 years. Those training events are going to be a bigger strain on the training department than new-hire training.
Just a thought.

Originally Posted by boog123 (Post 1059579)

Are you assuming all those pilots will need to be replaced?

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1059565)

But realistically, dontcha think that if 11,999 guys checked every "absolutely critical" block, and 1 checked the "I don't care" block they would throw out the results? I am not finished, but I have checked every single absolutely critical block on every single question, because simply put, I don't want them to make a decision to give up anything more based on a perceived lack of importance.. Period.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1059576)

Are we tearing down the saucer in JFK? Watching football and they're showing all these Pan Am tv show previews and you see it prominently.