Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1062452)

A) not a 737 pilot but the trim switches are where in relationship to the door unlock?

B) impressive. 38 years old and 35,000 hours?? So he's been flying 900 hours a year sinc the day he was born??? Or let's be reasonable, say he started at 18, he'd flown 1700 hours a year then... :confused:

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1062442)

The revelation came at an awkward time for the Japanese carrier, just hours after the first of the new-generation Boeing Co. 787 Dreamliner jets on which it has built its future strategy finally landed in Tokyo on Wednesday, more than three years behind schedule.

Nice slam on Boeing - right out of the clear blue. One minute we're talking about pilot error on a Japanese airline, then BAM!!! 787 delayed 3 years!!! Someone at Bloomberg News has an agenda.

ANA said a 38-year-old co-pilot likely hit the rudder trim controls by mistake

38 years old? I'll remember that for later.

Computer graphic images compiled by the safety board showed the plane turning almost upside down, but many passengers on board apparently did not realize the gravity of the situation, since it was already dark outside

Gravity of the situation? That's very Punny! I wish I could write for Bloomberg. They're like the SWA of news outlets, it's all about having a good time!

Investigators said the co-pilot was quite experienced, with more than 35,000 total hours of flight time.

That's a lot of time for a 38-year old, even if he got his license at 16. It's a good thing that logbooks can't be falsified.

ANA will take preventative measures to make sure that pilots do a double-check on where the controls are located...

That's great, but what will they do to make the co-pilots double check?

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1062452)

A) not a 737 pilot but the trim switches are where in relationship to the door unlock?

Originally Posted by Rhino Driver (Post 1062483)

Very bottom, center console. Small knob on far right is door unlock. BIG DIAL to the left is rudder trim control. One swift turn on that thing and you're going to get what they got!

Originally Posted by Rhino Driver (Post 1062480)

The Rudder Trim control is just to the left of the door control switch, only twice the size. I've never even given that a thought, but now I can imagine how that probably happened. We don't use it that way, so pretty unlikely in the US...at least at DAL.
http://http://www.google.com/imgres?...1t:429,r:5,s:0

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1062418)

Still not convinced the vette is a slam dunk tho.

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1062442)

Bloomberg News
All Nippon Airways Co. airplanes at Haneda Airport in Tokyo.
In a chilling reminder of how a simple human error can override the highest of high technology, an investigation has shown that All Nippon Airways Co. narrowly escaped a catastrophe earlier this month when its plane almost flipped over after a co-pilot hit the wrong button while trying to open the cockpit door for the plane’s captain, returning from the restroom.

The revelation came at an awkward time for the Japanese carrier, just hours after the first of the new-generation Boeing Co. 787 Dreamliner jets on which it has built its future strategy finally landed in Tokyo on Wednesday, more than three years behind schedule.

The celebratory mood was quickly over as Shin Nagase, a senior executive vice president at ANA, apologized and bowed deeply in front of TV cameras at a news conference to apologize for the trouble caused by the incident, which took place Sept. 6.

According to the Japan Transport Safety Board, two flight attendants were slightly hurt when the Boeing 737-700, with 117 people aboard, tipped more than 130 degrees to the left at one point and dived about 1,900 meters in 30 seconds during a flight from Naha on the southern island of Okinawa to Tokyo. Two flight attendants were slightly injured and six passengers became airsick or reported neck pains.

ANA said a 38-year-old co-pilot likely hit the rudder trim controls by mistake instead of pushing the door unlock button to let the captain in after he stepped out of the cockpit to go to the restroom.

Computer graphic images compiled by the safety board showed the plane turning almost upside down, but many passengers on board apparently did not realize the gravity of the situation, since it was already dark outside when the incident occurred at around 10:50 pm.

Investigators said the co-pilot was quite experienced, with more than 35,000 total hours of flight time. Nonetheless,*according to investigators, the slip-up*cause a roll and descent so violent that the jet exceeded certain maximum allowable speeds and also was subjected to stresses beyond its acceleration limits.

The safety board will continue the investigation, while a company spokeswoman said ANA will take preventative measures to make sure that pilots do a double-check on where the controls are located as they leave and return to the cockpit. The company said it will also try to improve its reporting lines, admitting that officials were not aware of the incident until the following day.