Admittedly, I do not know enough about how the JVs work to offer an intelligent opinion as to their validity or value to DAL pilots. I DO know that I have seen nothing but retraction in NY since August, and not in small numbers. As to how it affects the rest of the company I have no real idea.

I think a lot of this just might be by design. I know that I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I am not drooling on myself either and I speak and read English (my FAA license says so:rolleyes:) So why is this language of such complexity that a college educated guy like myself has to go to law school to understand it? Precisely so that those that DO understand it can manipulate those of us that don't. But here is where common sense just might be applicable: I see shrinkage in NY of copious amounts. I see little return. Therefore, IMHO these agreements are not working for the betterment of the DAL pilots. I think it really IS that simple. 2 CDG routes do not make up for the loss in September of 9 international destinations from NYC, and you would be hard pressed to convince me otherwise. So... all you that are convinced that these JVs are helping us out.. tell me what it is that we got for all that international flying that DAL has cancelled... I wait with bated breath...

The latest early out programs provide incentive for the more senior pilots to retire. I think we all are in favor of that. The retirees prior to BK had no incentive to retire other than to try and protect their lump sum. Some of them came back for up to six months as PRP's but they were not provided an incentive to retire. All the FO's flying with them encouraged them to retire and most of them did. Some who didn't regretted it, others had time to recover. If we encourage senior pilots to retire and then complain about the deal in later years, are we not being two-faced?

Well said and totally agree. Check your PM.

MEX......noooooooooooooo!!!!!!!! :D

You drop a sure touchdown pass then miss a field goal.....something tells me that's gonna come back to haunt Georgia.

It's very dangerous there. :D

So I've heard. :D

Is it really possible to have a 5 day trip worth only 11 hours for a lineholder?

But, maybe people should check Mexico news to prepare them for what they will find on the streets of New York. I've heard MEX was a piece of cake compared to NYC. I'll add to my list.....


Reasons not to bid the ER in NYC:

1.) 3 airports to cover which are 100 miles apart.
2.) Bedbugs.
3.) ATC congestion.
4.) Mean people.
5.) Expensive food.
6.) Evil Flight Attendants.
7.) Godzilla bid into the category.
8.) Crime. (Godzilla is a suspect in most cases.)
9.) 5 day trips worth 11 hours. (Thanks Scambo. :) )

Thanks Johnson. :)

3 days, non commutable on both ends... so if that meets your criteria, then yes it is.. It certainly meets mine.