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Milehighrabbi 11-29-2011 04:56 AM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1092600)
So...North West DIDN'T go bankrupt?? WT...F? From Above:

Anderson failed to get union support for wage and benefit concessions to the tune of $950 million by July 2003, which the company had claimed would be necessary to stave off bankruptcy proceedings. Despite this threat Northwest did not subsequently file for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection, as United and U.S. Airways had done in 2002.

Who wrote this, Anderson??

It was written by Ann McCarthy.

Richard H. Anderson 1956? Biography - Early years as legal counsel

tsquare 11-29-2011 04:56 AM


Originally Posted by Xray678 (Post 1092639)
Are you kidding? The NC/MEC/LEC, etc will be working ALPA trip drops and keeping their cushy jobs while you and I fly the line day in and day out. How long do you think it's been since any of the MEC administration flew more than a few days a month?

Do you want one of those "cushy jobs"? Just curious. I have only done a little cursory ALPA work.. (Family Awareness neighborhood coordinator for those that remember that), and even THAT was not what I would consider "cushy". Statements like yours exhibit a clear lack of clue about the amount of work that those folks do. I do not refer to those in the head shed as "volunteers" because they are getting paid via trip drops and such, but I am sure that if you convert their time to an hourly rate, you would be amazed at how little they are really paid compared to the rest of us. Cushy jobs... that's rich. :rolleyes:

sinca3 11-29-2011 04:57 AM


Originally Posted by Ed Harley (Post 1092847)
AA has almost 30 billion in debt and are paying some of the highest financing rates amongst the majors. And the reason they filed is because of they were unable to get labor to take pay cuts???

That last sentence has been bothering me, because it is so smeared across every news article out there today! I sure hope the AA pilots can hold strong and see that although other airlines have been through chapter 11 and shred the contracts, the real savings was on debt restructuring. The labor saving were just a little "desert" for management.
Also with 4.1B in cash and no DIP needed doesn't that mean a real benefit to AA as they head into bankruptcy? I guess on the flip side I mean there is nothing beneficial to us that they are headed into bankruptcy....they will come out lean mean with everything intact!
Is it too early to start drinking?

RJtrashPilot 11-29-2011 05:23 AM


Originally Posted by Xray678 (Post 1092639)
Are you kidding? The NC/MEC/LEC, etc will be working ALPA trip drops and keeping their cushy jobs while you and I fly the line day in and day out. How long do you think it's been since any of the MEC administration flew more than a few days a month?

Have you ever done an ounce of union work? If you did, you'd know the amount of time that both volunteers and elected union officials on the LEC and MEC put in day in and day out. It's literally non-stop and the FPL that is received hardly covers the man hours that are put into running the union.

If it's so cushy, why aren't you beating down the door to get one of those jobs?

alfaromeo 11-29-2011 05:32 AM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1092707)
That union of 11 years ago is not our DALPA of today. That union is dead. But the MEC chairman of the union you mention wants a new in-house union. Just sayin.

Carl

Carl,

Your guy was the negotiating committee chairman in 2001. He was MEC Chairman in 2004 when we passed the biggest concession ever. Maybe he didn't mention that on his resume.

forgot to bid 11-29-2011 06:01 AM


Originally Posted by Xray678 (Post 1092639)
Are you kidding? The NC/MEC/LEC, etc will be working ALPA trip drops and keeping their cushy jobs while you and I fly the line day in and day out. How long do you think it's been since any of the MEC administration flew more than a few days a month?

While I think we can all agree alpa work - especially volunteer work - sounds like something you may consider slitting your wrist prior to doing, I have to come to Xrays defense here.

The FPL issue is self made.

It's kind of like a teenager being flabbergasted that her parents would question her honesty but yet won't tell them why she was five hours past curfew.

Where is the FPL data? Rumors of $250,000, dropping holidays and so forth out of seniority are out there, some data would help resolve the lingering questions. Like in the Council 20 letter stated.

It doesn't seem like it should be that hard to put out that data. Just put it out. If it's clean and pure as the wind driven snow it will exonerate DALPA from the naysayers and DPA evil doers.

Bucking Bar 11-29-2011 06:22 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1092958)
While I think we can all agree alpa work - especially volunteer work - sounds like something you may consider slitting your wrist prior to doing, I have to come to Xrays defense here.

The FPL issue is self made.


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1092958)
...Where is the FPL data? Rumors of $250,000, dropping holidays and so forth out of seniority are out there, some data would help resolve the lingering questions. Like in the Council 20 letter stated.

Agreed! Had to laugh at the goings on in C44. The Rep who was supposed to be on ALPA duty had a pretty good trip and begged someone else to take his ALPA trip drop so he could go fly the line over Thanksgiving instead of taking the drop.

I've called my Rep over a scheduling issue over the holidays, expecting to leave a message. Surprise, he answered the bat phone at home at 10:30pm and provided good guidance. That's what Holiday trip drops are, a 24/7 version of reserve where you have to babysit management and pilots and try to unscrew whatever buffoonery occurs when your most junior employees are working long hours in adverse conditions. They provide a good service keeping problems out of the CPO.

shiznit 11-29-2011 06:24 AM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1092554)
No they won't. The vast majority of us can't get max pay plus stipends plus expenses, plus, plus.

The incentive is keeping MANAGEMENT happy since that's where their bread is buttered.

With this "union", the answer is YES. Because that's what management wants. You know, constructive engagement and all.

Because they won't be screwing themselves. They don't live under the same deal we live under.

Carl

Thank you for stating your opinions. If you would be so kind as to present some fact (and applicable sources) to back up your opinions it would be useful for the rest of the readers.

Elvis90 11-29-2011 06:25 AM

Wonder what AMR's bankruptcy means for us now. Status quo? I think we'll see a merger shortly between AA & US Air led by Doug Parker.

tsquare 11-29-2011 06:35 AM


Originally Posted by Elvis90 (Post 1092992)
Wonder what AMR's bankruptcy means for us now. Status quo? I think we'll see a merger shortly between AA & US Air led by Doug Parker.

I would love to be a bug on the wall in Mahogany Row right now..


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