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Originally Posted by FmrFreightDog (Post 1092629)

Snow forecast in ATL. They did tomorrows short calls for ATLM88B at 11ish this morning as usual then called me at 1700 to give me a 0600 SC. Scheduler even said the were adding SC for the WX. Since ATL is such a big part of the operation, a potentially severe IROP (known locally as AM flurries) has the potential to derail the whole operation.

I just got the call also.
They have gone to General Quarters on Virginia Ave.
Skeds is putting the whole airline on short call.

If it snows at Hartsfield -- :eek::confused::eek:

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Originally Posted by OccupyRestSeat (Post 1092530)

Even if they can't --and I think they can, since they won't be worried about grooming the next chief pilots and otherwise rolling over like ALPA is--at least we won't be sending money outside of our pilot group to support the bloated gluttons in Herndon who are required to support those who would undercut us. At the VERY least, dues will decrease and monies available to our pilot group will skyrocket.

Do folks on here know about the outgoing ATL chief pilot's ALPA background? Totally unsat. I want my union folks to be persona non-Grata in the Mecca hierarchy.

I'm no fan of the national association either, but be real. This is petty stuff right here. Why do you want the leadership to be persona non grata? Does that somehow offend you? What if he get's us a 50% pay raise and you only have to work 5 days/month... AND... all the RJ flying comes on the property.. BUT.. he will be the next head of flight ops? Ridiculous you say? Uh.. no.. it's exactly like the joke about asking a girl if she would sleep with you for a million dollars... (I will regale it if you do not know it). All we are arguing about is the price.

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1092557)

Simple: Because I don't believe ALPA is the only possible source of success. The fact that you would ask this question seems to presuppose that ALPA is the venue for success. Many of us disagree.

Now here's a question for you: What on God's green Earth makes you think that ALPA will shoot for getting Delta pilots the industry's leading contract given their history?

Carl

I never said that ALPA was the avenue to success Carl. I just want to know what it is that DPA has that ALPA does not that would make them more successful.

As far as question 2, I believe that since the guys negotiating the contract also have to live under that contract it is ludicrous to believe that they would want anything else. No.. it's beyond ludicrous.

I am no pom pom shaker... but I fail to see other than vitriol towards ALPA. What it is that DPA brings?

Mods: Sorry this is here, but I am just answering the question. Feel free to move it over to that other thread.

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Originally Posted by orvil (Post 1092560)

Not really.

Just like unsubstantiated crap from nowhere has no place here either. Thank you.

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1092557)

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Now here's a question for you: What on God's green Earth makes you think that ALPA will shoot for getting Delta pilots the industry's leading contract given their history?

Carl

How about the fact that in 2000 they did just that?

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1092558)

Why would that matter? What effect does an LEC rep have on the unelected MEC permanent bureaucracy?

Carl

You mean, other than choosing them? I'd say that was a pretty large effect.

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Originally Posted by tsquared030 (Post 1092681)

How about the fact that in 2000 they did just that?

Thanks little brother :D

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1092690)

Thanks little brother :D

You're welcome, but I suspect I'm a bit older than you. :-)

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1092670)

I never said that ALPA was the avenue to success Carl. I just want to know what it is that DPA has that ALPA does not that would make them more successful.

I didn't say you said it. I said your question presupposes it. Here's your post again for review:

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1092505)

At the risk... what on God's green earth makes you think that if ALPA cannot deliver that DPA can? Just a few bullet points will do.

Did you read the part that says: "If ALPA cannot deliver..." That certainly sounds like your thesis is that ALPA is the only way, and if ALPA can't succeed, who can. If that's not what you meant, great. But your statement belies that.

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1092670)

As far as question 2, I believe that since the guys negotiating the contract also have to live under that contract it is ludicrous to believe that they would want anything else. No.. it's beyond ludicrous.

This kind of false premise is what allows our MEC to behave in their top-down manner. They DO NOT live under this contract. That is the whole point.

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1092670)

I am no pom pom shaker... but I fail to see other than vitriol towards ALPA. What it is that DPA brings?

Part of the problem here is that you're describing the statements of fact as "vitriol". If you allow fact finding to be described that way, corruption wins.

Carl