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newKnow 09-29-2011 11:52 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1062094)
FTB
Sitting in ATL at the SLC outbound gate admiring the view. :D

Does that mean you are actually working? :eek:

alfaromeo 09-29-2011 12:09 PM


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 1062100)
That stuff sounds like it happened a long time ago.

Hockey, why the animosity? :confused:

Pilots hold grudges for a long time, doesn't make sense by they do. There will be guys complaining about this merger 15 years from now. I hope Boomer and his brothers all the best. Kharma is a beeyatch.

sailingfun 09-29-2011 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg (Post 1061871)
I agree, but where does Sailing (AKA T. O'M) come up with his spin? For what reason? Managing expectations....

The question was asked. The data is available. No spin. You just don't like the numbers. SW runs a very efficient operation that keeps their total pilot costs down even though their hourly rate is high. The total block hour costs are skewed in favor of SW because of the number of 3 and 4 man operations we have at Delta. Comparing like to like our block hour costs are around 650 an hour compared to 698 at SW.
Keep in mind that we have a higher DC plan then SW and we have huge ongoing funding obligations to the NW pilot retirement plan. They all count in total block hour costs.
Delta's pilot block hour costs will however go up quite a bit on 1 Jan. There is a 4 percent raise and a 1 percent increase in the DC. In addition NW pilots will transition to the full DC plan on that date. That ranges from a small to 14 percent increase depending on where the pilot sat on the NW matrix.
SW has a raise scheduled for next Aug if I recall. The correct numbers to use in a comparison will be the costs after both the SW and Delta raises and retirement changes are applied.

forgot to bid 09-29-2011 01:18 PM


Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1062111)
Pilots hold grudges for a long time, doesn't make sense by they do. There will be guys complaining about this merger 15 years from now. I hope Boomer and his brothers all the best. Kharma is a beeyatch.

Well, some grudges are understandable. I can just imagine the grudges in 15 years when FL Captains are close once again to holding the Captain seats they lost to junior SWA pilots in 2012.

DAL 88 Driver 09-29-2011 01:26 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1062119)
The question was asked. The data is available. No spin. You just don't like the numbers.

Here are some numbers I really don't like:

As a domestic narrowbody Captain in 2010, my W2 was $100,000 LESS than the W2 of the average SWA domestic narrowbody Captain! :eek:

Whidbey 09-29-2011 01:35 PM


Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1062146)
Here are some numbers I really don't like:

As a domestic narrowbody Captain in 2010, my W2 was $100,000 LESS than the W2 of the average SWA domestic narrowbody Captain! :eek:

Admitting it is the first step towards improving it. I think a lot of Delta folks are in total denial regarding how much less is made at Delta. Not trying to make it worse, but most of the captains that I've flown with on the 88 make close to (in some cases less) than many first officers at Southwest.

Columbia 09-29-2011 01:44 PM


Originally Posted by Whidbey (Post 1062153)
Admitting it is the fist step towards improving it.

Pun intended? :D

gloopy 09-29-2011 01:58 PM


Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 1062056)
Part of me really itches to lower the bar and go for the quick upgrade.

I've even been told by Delta Captains that I should go to Republic or Freedom to clear the Comair stain off my resume. Talk about irony...

GoJetsss has a pilot job fair in CVG in two weeks. Do you guys think a move to GoJetssss Street Captain will improve my chances of getting hired at Delta?

Unfortunately, yes. To get a raise and 121 jet PIC time while leaving Comair all in the same move, how could you not? Hold your nose and do it IMO.

gloopy 09-29-2011 02:01 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1062094)
Sitting in ATL at the SLC outbound gate admiring the view. :D

OMG inorite! What is up with that? Something in the H2O out there.

FmrFreightDog 09-29-2011 02:12 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1061431)
What I am willing to give up is my wife working 70 hrs weeks to give us an acceptable QOL.

Couldn't have said it better myself.


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