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The company opener will be something on the order of a 2 to 4 percent raise with offsets in work rules to cover the cost. Anyone who thinks other wise is smoking some really good stuff.

You never miss a chance to lower our expectations, do you? Not working.

Sink r8

01-26-2012 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1123454)

It was actually me that was puking, & it's because I personally can't stand the B737. It's cramped, loud, & has a terrible overhead panel. Ergonomics wise it's a nightmare, & can not ever come close to a 757 in any category. JMHO. :)

Sorry, you're right: it was you.

I completely understand. I really don't like the idea of going back to the 737, almost 100% because of the NOISE. I would feel differently if there was a net gain in jobs, especially if we had the intelligence to require hot mikes and good, light noise-cancelling headsets.

There is no reason to supsect either of my wishes would materialize, so I think I get your point. Try to clench your teeth while you puke, to keep the large pieces. You never know when you might get to eat again, especially when going JFK-SEA on a 737-900...:)

Sink r8

01-26-2012 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by More Bacon (Post 1123459)

Never miss a chance to lower our expectations, do you?

He's suggesting we're not going to like the company's opener, and you're suggesting he's lowering our own expectations? Explain that one to me.

Ball Breaker

01-26-2012 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1123463)

Don't worry about that...Alaska has that covered:mad:

More Bacon

01-26-2012 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1123467)

He's suggesting we're not going to like the company's opener, and you're suggesting he's lowering our own expectations? Explain that one to me.

It's called sandbagging.

No way the company would offer something that low if they expect to have the contract done this year--as RA has publicly stated.

So DALPA (through sailingfun, et al) continuously lowers our expectations and asserts that the company will open with 2-4%--and gets us to believe it--so when the company actually opens with more than that, it's basically free "negotiating" for DALPA.

And it conditions us to think, "well, I did want 40%, but if DALPA says the company's only going to offer 2%, maybe I should feel lucky to get 10%."

Lowering expectations.

johnso29

01-26-2012 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1123463)

Sorry, you're right: it was you.

I completely understand. I really don't like the idea of going back to the 737, almost 100% because of the NOISE. I would feel differently if there was a net gain in jobs, especially if we had the intelligence to require hot mikes and good, light noise-cancelling headsets.

There is no reason to supsect either of my wishes would materialize, so I think I get your point. Try to clench your teeth while you puke, to keep the large pieces. You never know when you might get to eat again, especially when going JFK-SEA on a 737-900...:)

Thanks. I just spent 10 minutes in the fetal position rocking back & forth. :D

buzzpat

01-26-2012 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Superpilot92 (Post 1123304)

supposedly...

It is. The -700s recirc fan is amazingly loud but in flight the cockpit is much quieter.

buzzpat

01-26-2012 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by iceman49 (Post 1123272)

Buzz we flew around with wing cracks for years on the 141.

Yep, no doubt. Also at some painfully speeds as I recall.;)

Free Bird

01-26-2012 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by More Bacon (Post 1123478)

No way the company would offer something that low if they expect to have the contract done this year as RA has publicly stated.

So DALPA (through sailingfun, et al) continuously lowers our expectations and asserts that the company will open with 2-4%--and gets us to believe it--so when the company actually opens with more than that, it's basically free "bargaining" for DALPA without having to do any work.

Of course RA is publicly saying that he wants the contract done by the end of the year. The investors and pilots both like to hear this news. The reality is that a new contract will cost Delta money. I think RA would be content for us to be under this contract for a long time. What is the incentive for the company to get this done?

RA isn't mentally challenged, he knows there is no way that this group will accept a 2-4% raise. If the company would propose this they are simply stalling because they have no intention of getting a deal done.

buzzpat

01-26-2012 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1123253)

Is that the little thingy you hang on the door that says "please ignore this, knock anyway and 2/10th of a second later attempt to come in repeatedly even if the bolt that can only be activated from the inside is also locked?

Yeah, that's the one. In NYC it apparently means "abuse the hell out of my door and never leave me alone."

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