It has nothing to do with the openers being made public or not. He is attempting to condition us to accept a lower pay increase. He has been consistent about this long before the discussion came up about whether or not the openers were going to be made public. Sailingfun has been a shill for management's point of view for a very long time. That is his track record and that is why I look at anything he posts with an exceptionally critical eye.

OK. You and sailing aren't friends. I get that.

Explain to me how his speculation about the managent opener conditions you to accept a lower pay increase, because it sure doesn't work for me.

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Hey Tomcat, it's great to have you back. How've you been? You ought to see the new pilot digs in LA. First renovation since Pan Am Clippers were flying to Midway.

I didn't say it worked for me either. I suspect it does work on some... hopefully not many. What I did say is that he is attempting to lower expectations.

Right. I understand. I'm asking how you think this manages expectations, since it doesn't work fon me, and it doesn't work on you. You think there are pilots out there not quite as smart? You think a ridiculously insulting company opener is going to result in those hypothetical pilots having lower expectations? How does that work?

Anyone that is appalled or surprised by a low-ball opener from management is either naive or stupid. It won't lower my expectations.

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Well I guess you told me what's what! :eek:

Spare me the righteous indignation and condescension. I don't have time to read every post on this thread every day. Sometimes I have to skip ahead.

I asked clamp a simple question about a statement he made. Seems I struck a nerve with you. You're going to have to brush up on your savoir-faire if you want to keep climbing these political ladders. :) Good luck with whatever it is you're trying to do these days. :rolleyes:

I always find it curious why people have to resort to insults and name calling. I love the boot licking comment. The good news is that most understand the mettle of those who resort to such comments. I am on record here many times stating what I consider a reasonable contract. It exceeds what SW has. I am also a realist and what I have posted has over and over again been far more correct then many others. I as a example caught lots of heat for saying Delta management would never buy a 100 seat aircraft over the last 4 years.
I will also point out that I have made my feelings known to management behind signed letters. I did not lack the courage to only make comments on forums hiding my identity from management. Because of that I have had to have personal conversations with both the VP of flight ops and the CEO of Delta airlines to counsel me on my attitude. I doubt many on the forum can make that claim. I put my job on the line with the CEO in defense of the pilots furloughed by management for political reasons.
I did not post what I believe managements opener will be to further any DALPA goal. I posted it because it reflects the reality of how Delta management feels and thinks. If anyone on this forum thinks otherwise they have had their head in the sand and not read any of management comments over the last few years.
If we are going to get anywhere close to SW wages and retain the aspects of our contract that are better then SW it will come only as a long struggle. A struggle that will require a united pilot group. It is a struggle that will be won or lost behind the scenes in DC via political means. I can only conclude that those who at this stage support DPA would prefer to see DALPA fail and of course the pilots lose income and quality rather then work as a unified group to get the very best contract possible. DPA leadership itself when they started their effort fully recognized the danger this posed and gave themselves a hard deadline to end the process to insure a unified group. Sadly they abandoned what was a correct and smart initial choice for what we have today. Management is toasting them every night on the 4th floor.
I want the very best contract I can get for my family. Some think that only requires demanding the most up front. Those who feel that way sadly have not studied the history of contracts under the railway labor act. They would be wise to do so.