124.........,

So if we hire next year when can a '10 person get back out to the West coast where he/she belongs? (So Cal person living in ATL commuting to NY?? Ouch)

I hate to be a Debbie Downer on this topic, but this will absolutely not happen. When we finally do get a TA, the NC will have spent months, countless hours and much blood, sweat and tears producing a contract acceptable to the company and worthy of presentation to the pilots. The last thing they will do is tell you what's wrong with it.

We went through the same demands at NWA in '98. The TA roadshows then were about selling the TA. The "negative" comments amounted to something like "Well, we would've liked a bigger payraise, but we could'nt get it."

Any negatives regarding the TA will only come from people other than ALPA. Hopefully they, and any explanations from ALPA, will wind up on this forum.

I don't know - it says something about fixing a quote. I can assure you it was nothing controversial - it looks just like what I typed. OBTW - thanks for correcting "must" to "most. :)"

Scoop

The Maddog don't give a...



The 717 is a Maddog isn't it?...outch!

Cheers
George

Saw that earlier today! Holy Crosswinds! :eek:

My class is the end of 07' and my mates still can't hold it. We are holding SLC by the skin of our teeth.

Reminds me of the interview question, "what is your worst attribute"?

Inevitably the answer is still a positive...."I always work hard..I'm competitive" or something to that effect.

That's what I said earlier about the sell job. I think they're too invested in it. It's like asking a proud father that just cut the cord to give an opposite viepoint, and tell them the kid's ugly. I understand the logic in wanting data in your own due diligence, but it would be some sort of shyzo leap for them to do one thing (produce an agreement they think is fair), and the opposite of that thing (argue it isn't fair). They'll do something like capncrunch suggested, instead.

I think the best we can acheive is to at least get them to leave us alone, as we make our own, private deliberations. As I said earlier, it comes to down to not losing track of your own criteria, your own benchmark, and judging the product.

In theory, it would be nice to have neutrals write credible point/counterpoints. In reality... if you're starved for debate at that point, there's always APC.

Thanks buddy;)