That's not my style.... although I think there's enough room under the tent for all of us. There's a lot of angst and mistrust in our pilot group with regard to DALPA, because of the handshakes, smiles and lines in the sand that vanished and continue to move daily. The pilot you refer to represents the way many of us feel inwardly, but we are patiently waiting to see if ALPA can deliver. ALPA will not survive as a mainline representative without making some traction in this contract. This contract is monumentally important to all the Delta pilots, but make no mistake, it's just as important for ALPA National. I support my Union, but I'm not blindly trusting them this time.... Lee burned a lot of bridges while he was building others...... I guess that's just politics.....

I was in the back in uniform, commuted in just to come to the mtg, so traveling in uniform made it a little easier.

Thanks again!

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Quick vacation bidding question, I'm new to holding a line, we don't get trip touching drops on our vacations correct? PBS will not assign you a trip that would interfere with vacation is the way I understand it. Is that correct?



Denny is correct, but something we all need to remember is that PBS is first and foremost a computer program that turns our PWA into a monthly schedule. If the PWA told PBS to run first, and then factor in vacations, we could very easily have "Trips Touching."

It is the current PWA that prevents "Trips Touching" not PBS.

Scoop

Trust me I understand and it is what I have been conveying to the reps for the last few years.

Ah, I saw ya, but forgot that you moved here from your old base and was not looking for you.

My card is in for ATLDC9A. It's also in for ATLDC9B. How junior do you think right seat of the DC-9 in ATL is going to go? I'm hoping to be in the top 20 percent and hold a line indefinitely on it. Then bid reserve in the winter and take advantage of our new reserve rules.

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TEN

Fixed it......

Time to punish AS with half a dozen narrowbodies of our own LAX-SEA and taking both BOS-SEA away from them by seat duping our own metal. The extra capacity wouldn't make a dent in yields to our massive system over all, but would severely punish them for their insolence.

Or we could just lie down and take it and worry about next quarter's numbers as if that's all that matters.

especially since AK is apparently a major pillar of American's proposed turnaround plan....

True, but do we really want to fund something like that? So some pilots will get to "touch drop" a pair of 12 days for every week of vacation (and they get at least 5) while junior lineholders might get 5 or 6 extra days and reserves will get 3 or 4 extra days? No thanks.

The problem with vacation is its insanely, insultingly low credit. having a 7 day period on your line that only credits 21 hours is worthless. All it does is guarantee which days you will have off for the month and then throws a couple more days off for the average bidder. Vacation needs to be at least 5 hours a day, and ideally 6. But a minimum of 35 hours of credit for a week of vacation is mandatory. That's a powerful block on your line that will actually give you at least an extra week off, at all seniority levels, lineholder or reserve, and does so fairly and equitably for all pilots rather than the all or nothing system a touch drop would bring.

We could then get optional remedies like no reports prior to noon on the day after, waiveable by the pilot in PBS (to enhance line building options if the pilot chose it) etc.

With the low pay scales, inadequate work rules and horrible scope we have, the last thing we need to be fighting for at contract time is the restoration of little micro empires that a few jailhouse lawyer pilots can scam for extra months off or regular lines with triple pay with comparitively no benefit to the majority of the pilot group.

We already got rid of all recovery from OE trip takes, which in and of itself is fine, but we can't let it lead to the buddy bid with LCA's and greenslip a similar line for triple pay or even entire month off, month after month schedules. That's not savvy pilots getting one over on the CEO's bonus account; that's a handful of inside traders featherbedding at all of our expense.