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Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg
(Post 1144889)
I'm looking at something more recent, like the last decade. 20 years ago they also had very cute FAs, but those around back then are still around today, and aren't as cute. Do you always look back 20 years at every analysis? The last 10 years have been good for SWAPA.
SWA Pay is now relatively good. Our Pay sucks. Until 2005 - DAL Pilots were making a ton more than SWA Pilots. The rest of the industry was lowered. SWA did not magically rise above everyone else. Throughout their history Pilots have left SWA for legacies until 911. Now that trend has reversed - what will it been in 10 years? You are taking a "snapshot" and assuming it is and will be the status-quo. Things may look very different in 10 or 20 years and if you have or plan a thirty year career that is very important. Just to be clear - I am for a robust DPA vs DALPA discussion and think the DPA has a lot of potential. Maybe just the valid thrat of the DPA may impact the section 6. Scoop |
Originally Posted by buzzpat
(Post 1144981)
News flash: the new long layover hotel in Philly rocks! A very nice surprise after yet another brutal red eye. Well done DALPA! Or Delta, or whoever is responsible. Very nice!
Just think, DPA probably would've gotten you a nicer hotel, more quickly, and more efficiently than even the D-ALPA hotel committee! :rolleyes::D GJ P.S. For all those too wound around the axle to take the above statement as nothing more than "jest on a Saturday morning", lighten up. :) |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1145009)
Trust me, It makes me cringe also. On the Dalpa forum one of the longest threads was about the hat. This forum also saw a large number of uniform and hat posts shortly after the merger.
Watch: You know for a uniform, it's a good one. I don't mind wearing it. If I did only one leg a day I'd wear it in the summer. I hate short sleeve with a tie. I went years wearing a leather coat and no hat as an RJ pilot, now I don't want to look like an RJ pilot anymore. I never once wore my Coex coat, just the 200lb leather jacket that made you sweat to death in the EWR terminal where they turn the temp up to 90F. I swear I'd walk through the terminal with my coat on and then do a walk around in the snow without it just to cool off. But our uniform? It's nice to have a throw back to the days where the industry was more civil. And as to the hat, it is weird to wear it inside a building but it's weirder looking to walk around with it on your bag. Especially if you have good hair. Because if you have good hair and you aren't wearing your hat, then it's obvious you are worried about messing up your hair. Dude, who are you? Sammy Malone? And the idea of walking around with it unbuttoned? What the heck? But, as my wife does with me, I'm not going to say anything to anyone- want to look like a fool, go for it. I ain't stopping you, I frankly don't care (unlike my wife). But I'll wear mine the way it was supposed to be. There. |
Originally Posted by Gearjerk
(Post 1145014)
Buzz,
Just think, DPA probably would've gotten you a nicer hotel, more quickly, and more efficiently than even the D-ALPA hotel committee! :rolleyes: GJ P.S. For all those too wound around the axle to take the above statement as nothing more than "jest on a Saturday morning", lighten up. :) |
Originally Posted by scoop
(Post 1145013)
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swa pay is now relatively good. Our pay sucks. Until 2005 - dal pilots were making a ton more than swa pilots. the rest of the industry was lowered. Swa did not magically rise above everyone else. throughout their history pilots have left swa for legacies until 911. Now that trend has reversed - what will it been in 10 years? You are taking a "snapshot" and assuming it is and will be the status-quo. Things may look very different in 10 or 20 years and if you have or plan a thirty year career that is very important. Just to be clear - i am for a robust dpa vs dalpa discussion and think the dpa has a lot of potential. Maybe just the valid thrat of the dpa may impact the section 6. Scoop |
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1144827)
I'm done trying to tame the DALPA/DPA stuff on this thread, haha. If the other mods want to help me out, they can...but I'm the only one it seems lately and it's just not worth the effort.
FWIW, the DPA guys are showing a stronger and stronger presence in ATL. 90% of the guys I fly with have their cards in as well as more and more people that I know personally that I run into ops. Some want to boot ALPA now, most are like me and want to see how the opener is. Not showing the opener to the masses will easily be worth another 500+ cards I would estimate. I've got a couple friends that are rather high up at ALPA National, if you catch my drift. He is pulling the same crap there that he did at DALPA and it is driving them crazy. One of them went so far as to say he understands how the DPA movement got started at Delta now, and why I put my car in. Carl |
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1145015)
And the idea of walking around with it unbuttoned? What the heck? But, as my wife does with me, I'm not going to say anything to anyone- want to look like a fool, go for it. I ain't stopping you, I frankly don't care (unlike my wife). But I'll wear mine the way it was supposed to be. |
Originally Posted by Jesse
(Post 1145016)
So, GJ, even you realize how lame it sounded after you typed it. Personally, when I do that I hit the delete key.:D
Again, the only reason I put the disclaimer in there was to make sure the "Carl's/88's/Scambo's" of this forum don't get their "panties in a wad" so early on a Saturday morning. GJ |
Originally Posted by buzzpat
(Post 1144993)
If it was, and I don't doubt you Sailing, those bases are getting lost in the morass that is a contract negotiation. If you fight every battle to win, you lose the war. Hat vs. pay? Jacket vs. scope? Really?
Besides I work for Delta, they run the business and get to decide about image. Not DPA, Not ALPA and not individual pilots. Really it is very simple. Not having served in the Military, are there secret votes and surveys among the ranks that are conducted from time to time to force the higher ups to cave to popular trends and make everyone feel better about themselves? Just askin...:rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by TheManager
(Post 1144910)
Yo, Shiz!
Hope you are not in ATL tonight and hope everyone else in the SE has survived intact. I'll get to the point. Southwest gets paid more than us. Lots more! Their medical kicks @ss. Their scope is pretty good to I hear. We are no longer in the enviable position we were with C2K. Lots of guys out on the line don't want to believe this and try and rationalize these facts away. One of the first steps in fixing this is recognizing the issue and embracing. When we all can get behind this truth, we can focus our energy and win. We can't if guys keep falling for this: Belief Disconfirmation Paradigm
Carl |
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