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Now, If you thought the last one was good, wait until you check this next one out.

It fits us pilots to a "T."

Remeber in our latest QCQ CD, the one where we don't get paid 1 for 1 for completing it? There was a section describing how "compliant " pilots are.

I know present:

Induced-Compliance Paradigm

The induced-compliance paradigm is when a person internalizes an attitude that they were encouraged to express because they had no other justification. In a study conducted in 1959 by Festinger and Carlsmith's, participants were requested to spend an hour on a boring and tedious task that created a strong, negative feeling. When participants completed the task they were asked to talk to others and convince them that the tasks were interesting. One group of participants was paid $1 for the task. Another group was paid $20 to perform the same. A control group was asked to do nothing. When rating the boring tasks after completion of the experiment, those paid $1 rated the tasks more positively than those in the other two groups. The theory that Festinger and Carlsmith's provided was that due to guilt and an inability to justify their actions, the lower-paid participants internalized their attitude.
Those paid $20 had an external justification: money.

HHHmmmmm. Sound vaguely familiar?

Jughead

03-03-2012 04:21 AM

What's the deal with the uniform survey? Should this really be an issue now?

I hope we don't waste one second of negotiations or one cent of possible restoration attempting to modify the uniform. Questions like, "should we replace the coat with a windbreaker?", "should we be allowed to leave the coat unbuttoned?" :rolleyes:, "would you like a leather jacket?". Of course there's something about the hat.

Maybe I'm missing something, but I can't believe this is what bothers us. For the right price, I'll wear a clown suit.

Sorry if this has been discussed earlier - didn't have time to skim the last 30 pages of dalpa/dpa arguments.

sailingfun

03-03-2012 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg (Post 1144888)

Easy there, put down the pipe. I was saying it would be great if we had a union that could get us top pay and bennies plus be friendly with management that would "have our backs" on anything that would come our way. Wouldn't that be wonderful? Top pay and friendly management. We probably wouldn't even need a union if that were always true. Unfortunately, I don't see that happening, but SWAPA has had that the last decade, primarily because they don't also have to worry about RJs, and they mean what they say and don't fold like a deck of cards when it comes to things management wants. Why again did LM get rid of SILs that were worth 55 hours per month for NOT flying to the current ZERO hours of pay for an SIL? Makes NO sense. Thanks LM, enjoy your life long pension.....

I would love to know how some of this stuff comes up. LM did not get rid of SIL's. In fact SIL's are available today if the company were to offer them. DALPA came up with the SIL concept. The put it to the company and the company decided to incorporate it into a side letter. After using SIL's for over a year the company audited the program and found that they were not saving any money and in fact it was slightly cost positive. They stopped offering SIL's. The only time they saved money was when a category was grossly overmanned. We don't have any categories in that situation now. SIL's were never contractually mandated on the company. They were a option the company could use when the felt it might save them money. It did not and they quit using them.

DeadHead

03-03-2012 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Jughead (Post 1144957)

+1 !!!

If this is the case, I could care less about modifying the current uniform policy. Just seems like an incredible waste of resources and time.
I'd wear assless chaps and a Mexican sombrero to work if it meant an industry leading contract.

buzzpat

03-03-2012 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Jughead (Post 1144957)

I thought exactly the same thing Jug. Now? We're going to waste valuable oxygen talking about hats and jackets now? No, oh hell no. I'll show up with only my lucky gold lamay thong if we can achieve a regaining of benefits, scope and QOL.

scambo1

03-03-2012 05:05 AM

If any of you homos touch my stuff I'll ...

Enough of the a$$less chaps and thongs.

The uniform survey is a sleight of hand tactic used by magicians...if you cannot see it for what it is. Do not look at the uniform survey, instead, watch what DALPA is doing with their other hand.

BoyFromSouth

03-03-2012 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Jughead (Post 1144957)

+1

I could not agree more. We have bigger fish to fry than sending out a servey that deals with uniforms and hats. The survey should have asked more important questions concerning pay, scope, insurance, reserve, retirement and other quality of life issues.

I can only wonder how much time and money was spent on such a worthless survey to the pilot group. ALPA should have thought this one thru a little better.

BFS

CVG767A

03-03-2012 05:15 AM

And now for something completely different...

I'm sitting at the gate in CVG, waiting for my commuter flight. Across the airport, at the GA ramp, is a Southwest 737. Does anyone have any intel on this?

forgot to bid

03-03-2012 05:22 AM

What in the hell? This is important why?????? I think I've clicked on every "it's fine, leave it alone."

The FOM states that the uniform jacket will be worn buttoned at all times. Would you prefer a change to the FOM so that you had the option to wear your uniform jacket either buttoned or unbuttoned?
Yes
No

buzzpat

03-03-2012 05:26 AM

News flash: the new long layover hotel in Philly rocks! A very nice surprise after yet another brutal red eye. Well done DALPA! Or Delta, or whoever is responsible. Very nice!

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