Airline Pilot Central Forums - Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?

Actually, Moak reminds me more of Dick Cheney than any other recent political figure.

Can we take the DPA debate to the DPA thread? I threw a post out there which should offend about everybody, just to prime the pump. (Alpha, come here fishy fishy fishy ....)

Carl Spackler

03-03-2012 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Jughead (Post 1144957)

What's the deal with the uniform survey? Should this really be an issue now?

I hope we don't waste one second of negotiations or one cent of possible restoration attempting to modify the uniform. Questions like, "should we replace the coat with a windbreaker?", "should we be allowed to leave the coat unbuttoned?" :rolleyes:, "would you like a leather jacket?". Of course there's something about the hat.

Maybe I'm missing something, but I can't believe this is what bothers us. For the right price, I'll wear a clown suit.

Sorry if this has been discussed earlier - didn't have time to skim the last 30 pages of dalpa/dpa arguments.

Gotta give DALPA kudos for this one. This survey was a resolution from one of the LEC's, and the MEC did exactly what it should have done with the FPL resolution and all resolutions. They adopted it and put the survey out. Whether it was a waste of time or not is immaterial. It was the will of an LEC, and the MEC executed that will.

Good job DALPA.

Carl

Carl Spackler

03-03-2012 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DeadHead (Post 1144960)

+1 !!!

If this is the case, I could care less about modifying the current uniform policy. Just seems like an incredible waste of resources and time.
I'd wear assless chaps and a Mexican sombrero to work if it meant an industry leading contract.

I was looking for that picture FTB posted of the creepy leathered up gay guy with the ALPA national mustache. You're lucky I couldn't find it!

Carl

Bucking Bar

03-03-2012 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1145035)

Carl,

Agreed! (Even if I did not care enough about the survey to even click on it)

FIIGMO

03-03-2012 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1144816)

Ah yes. Certainly those are the only two models available to DPA. There are simply no other strategies or models available.

Wait a minute...I just remembered there are some more models. The model used against the TWA pilots, and the model used against ALPA's own union of in house clerical workers.

You know what, I'll bet DPA doesn't use any of these 4 models. :rolleyes:

Carl

Carl,

Maybe you know and maybe you don't. Those that I have asked about DPA while flying and in the crew lounge or over a beer etc, have not articulated to me in any meaningful way exactly how DPA will get a better contract for our group. It is crystal clear that they feel DPA will be more transparent, communicate better lower our dues, higher better lawyer's and just be better in general. Which is it the SWA model the APA model the ALPA model? I have said before many times I like the idea of DPA (signed the card) and what it can do in theory, but right now is not the time to test a theory when it is not defined currently (maybe I am missing an internal DPA memo as to the playbook or something).

Division is what worries me at the moment, DALPA is what we have, DPA can not do anything in this contract but drag it out until all the legal issues are completed. (de-cert, elections, buying staplers etc) Is that where we all maybe headed anyway? Hope not. But still would like to see specific strategy from a DPA standpoint before I am wiling to delay a contract for a few years.

If that is the only viable option then I say short interim LOA 20% now, re-designate SEA as a hub (force their hand regarding Alaska), balance all code shares, freeze scope, important work rule changes etc. Then give DPA or ??? a chance to work.

FIIGMO

03-03-2012 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1145037)

I was looking for that picture FTB posted of the creepy leathered up gay guy with the ALPA national mustache. You're lucky I couldn't find it!

Carl

I think you better take a look at the Airline pay snap shot thread in the Majors section Carl....Just sayin!

Carl Spackler

03-03-2012 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1144970)

If any of you homos touch my stuff I'll ...

Enough of the a$$less chaps and thongs.

The uniform survey is a sleight of hand tactic used by magicians...if you cannot see it for what it is. Do not look at the uniform survey, instead, watch what DALPA is doing with their other hand.

I nearly spit all over my screen! Thanks for the reminder of that one.

Carl

Jesse

03-03-2012 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1145039)

Carl,

Agreed! (Even if I did not care enough about the survey to even click on it)

Which is typical of most who are aware of it. So those who brought the resolution to their LEC, and the other 18 pilots will take the time to fill it out and the results will be something like 90% of participants strongly believe the hat should be optional. So what? Yeah, they did what they were supposed to do...good to hear the system works if that's how the system is supposed to work. I just wish it worked as efficiently for things that are a bit more important (e.g. MD-90 & MD-88 pay being equal, but let's ignore that because those guys are so junior).

Carl Spackler

03-03-2012 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1145002)

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Originally Posted by NY Times,
Operators of the biggest hotels in New York City have agreed to a long-term contract that will give hotel housekeepers and other employees significant pay raises, fully paid health coverage, larger pension contributions and one unusual benefit: personal panic buttons. The deal would include annual raises that would increase wages by 29 percent over the life of the contract. Those increases would raise the pay of a typical housekeeper to $59,823 per year, from $46,337 today, said John Turchiano, a hotel union spokesman.

The proposal would also guarantee that the members continue to receive medical, dental and optical insurance for themselves and their families with no out-of-pocket costs to them, not even co-payments to doctors, Mr. Turchiano said. In addition, the hotel owners would gradually increase their contributions to the members’ pensions to 10.5 percent of total payroll, from 9 percent.

Asked what concessions the union made in return, Peter Ward, president of the council, said, “We didn’t give up anything.”

I especially loved that part. Now THAT'S a union.

Carl

DAL 88 Driver

03-03-2012 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1144881)

What were you looking at for the first 20+ years of SWA's existence???? They never led at anything until the others' went backwards.

Is it a contest? Best I can tell, they made decent money all along (probably more than most of us realized at the time because we weren't paying that close attention) and some of them got very rich in the past with SWA stock.

I really don't care who has the biggest **** ******* (that was "bank account" just in case you were wondering). I only care that we are compensated properly and have opportunity for advancement. That's not happening now, and it needs to be corrected (a very large correction). Looking at SWA pay and scope is only a means to an end for us because it bolsters our case for the type of correction we need and should be able to expect.

I'm a competitive person, but I just don't see compensation as a competition. SHOW ME THE MONEY... and I don't care what anyone else makes.

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