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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1145123)

It's my right to own and be able to afford to fly a Baron 58.

It's my right to own Jesse's photo album someday. :D

Carl

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Originally Posted by TANSTAAFL (Post 1145128)

Trumped by the right to work to 65.

Look at what has happened in Canada to whats coming our way. :mad:

Mother nature will "trump" most that try to go past 65.

Carl

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1145062)

Two things. First is the model, which is the SWAPA model. They are a far more functional union in many ways. They have a great relationship with management but ONLY because they've stood up to management everytime with the important issues like scope. That has earned them a level of mutual respect from management. You don't earn respect being a lapdog...even though management will be glad to describe you as a "new style of union leader" in the Wall Street Journal if needed to make you feel better about your surrender.

Second, the BIG difference with a non-ALPA union will be the lack of conflict regarding the regionals. We can unabashedly go after returning our flying to us without facing the certain lawsuits from the regionals for failing in the duty to fairly represent. This is a HUGE deal. The fact that DALPA and ALPA cannot print a single word about scope or a single word about spending negotiating capital to get our flying back should tell you everything you need to know. An in-house union would have no such restrictions.

I know this makes me sound like a one note musician, but there is simply NOTHING more important than scope. And because ALPA represents both sides, they've self-muzzled themselves on this most important topic.

Carl

So true...... THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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Originally Posted by Jesse (Post 1145111)

I guess the emphasis about being on time is no longer of import. LOA says it's to be out NLT the last day of the prior bid period. Here we are about 3 days later and nada.

I've been asking the same thing, but does it really matter? If you're in the top 10% you've got the month off.

I'm not. Because of the ridiculously high buckets last month I worked about 4 times as much as I usually do while some people didn't work at all. And this month sure enough I'm on a trip right now that started yesterday, the first day of the bid period. So I foresee another month like last.

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Originally Posted by TheManager (Post 1144910)

Yo, Shiz!

Hope you are not in ATL tonight and hope everyone else in the SE has survived intact.

I'll get to the point.

Southwest gets paid more than us. Lots more!

Their medical kicks @ss. Their scope is pretty good to I hear.

All true in relation to the current DAL PWA.

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Originally Posted by TheManager (Post 1144910)

We are no longer in the enviable position we were with C2K. Lots of guys out on the line don't want to believe this and try and rationalize these facts away. One of the first steps in fixing this is recognizing the issue and embracing. When we all can get behind this truth, we can focus our energy and win.

I hope the ATL peeps and everyone else in the path of that storm made out safely.
Back to the discussion; yes, but I do not agree that "lots of guys out on the line don't believe..."

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Originally Posted by TheManager (Post 1144910)

We can't if guys keep falling for this:

Belief Disconfirmation Paradigm

Belief disconfirmation paradigm occurs when a person is presented with information which conflicts with his beliefs. If unable to change his beliefs the conflict experienced could result in a rejection of the conflicting information or the denial of the information. A person unable to resolve the conflict will seek others sharing a similar belief to restore agreement of thoughts. An example of belief disconfirmation paradigm is cult members who experience the failure of a prophecy to occur. The cult members will typically seek an explanation among the group and reach a conclusion that provides an answer that creates harmony.

There are few if any guys I fly with that have this mentality, most are acutely aware of how far we've fallen and how far the climb ahead still is.

I don't believe it has to do with convincing the pilots of Delta.... It has to do with finding a way to convince DAL managment (within the confines of the RLA), and the NMB that what we are asking for is reasonable and should be given to the pilots. THAT is going to be the true challenge.

Can someone give me the details on how to positive space on the front end?

Thanks Scoop

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Originally Posted by TenYearsGone (Post 1145124)

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And now from my generous nature. I would like this watch for all my "Delta Brothers" as a good faith gift from Management. This beauty was developed for the Pan AM pilots in 1952. Pan Am management went directly to Rolex and requested them to build this GMT watch for their pilots.:)

Imagine, what a great uniform piece this would be!!!

TEN

It doesn't keep time. Much better with a Omega or a Breitling. :D

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Originally Posted by Scoop

Can someone give me the details on how to positive space on the front end?

Thanks Scoop

Book your seat company business like you would for training up to 14 days prior. Then within 24 hours of your original show time call scheduling. They'll make note of your deviation and original deadhead on your ROT will show DD and the flight number. The dirty details are in the live contract deadhead section. 8.E.5 is important.

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Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1145142)

I don't believe it has to do with convincing the pilots of Delta.... It has to do with finding a way to convince DAL managment (within the confines of the RLA), and the NMB that what we are asking for is reasonable and should be given to the pilots. THAT is going to be the true challenge.

The best strategy to handle what you have so accurately posted is to use the SWAPA contract in it's entirety as the leverage we need. We know that it would put management in a difficult spot to have to begin dismantling all of the outsourcing contracts, and as such, they would hate it. If we are willing to be 100% for it, the NMB would have a dilemma. There's no way our position could be deemed unreasonable, thus putting management in the difficult spot of wanting numerous changes to the SWAPA while we would say we're just ducky with every item in it. For every item that the NMB had sympathy with management for changing, our position would be: "OK...what are you willing to give us for that?"

Carl

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1145145)

It doesn't keep time. Much better with a Omega or a Breitling. :D

I beg to differ:o

Breitling=JUNK!-->ETA movement-->ETA is a product of SWATCH. As a Breitling owner, I can attest. Actually, sorry to offend any Breitling owners (I am one), this watch is just eye candy. The innards are made by SWATCH!!!

OMEGA= NICE, but will not hold value.

Rolex= In-house movement. Holds Value. As long as you are +6/-4 per day, you have a certified COSC watch!!! Worth its weight in gold. Although there are a lot of knock offs. Accuracy is excellent as long as you get it regulated every 5-7 years.

TEN, self appointed APC watch expert:D

**I hope Carl's was a genuine GMT