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Bah! My $15 Armitron is within a few seconds per year! Worth its weight in plastic. Also virtually theft-proof: a mugger took one look and slipped me a couple of bucks. :p

80ktsClamp

03-03-2012 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1145145)

It doesn't keep time. Much better with a Omega or a Breitling. :D

This is my baby. Never have to set it and always accurate to the second!

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Bill Lumberg

03-03-2012 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1145142)

All true in relation to the current DAL PWA.

I hope the ATL peeps and everyone else in the path of that storm made out safely.
Back to the discussion; yes, but I do not agree that "lots of guys out on the line don't believe..."
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There are few if any guys I fly with that have this mentality, most are acutely aware of how far we've fallen and how far the climb ahead still is.

I don't believe it has to do with convincing the pilots of Delta.... It has to do with finding a way to convince DAL managment (within the confines of the RLA), and the NMB that what we are asking for is reasonable and should be given to the pilots. THAT is going to be the true challenge.

The NMB stuff is just an EXCUSE. Sure, if you do like the APA before their BK and ask for a 50% immediate raise, then maybe the NMB may shake their heads. If you go in asking for a 15% raise the first year, plus 5-7% per year after that, and go for better rules and scope, essentially spreading it out but NOT minimizing it for the sake of being scared, then that should be acceptable. Is ALPA looking for a way out of ACTUALLY NEGOTIATING? Sure, the NMB is a GREAT EXCUSE. AMR and DL are different companies, with different financials. Other than size, you can't compare the two financially at all, and DL has already been through BK and taken care of things that AMR has yet to do, giving us the financial advantage. This type of reasoning is called DEFEATIST reasoning. The NMB is ALPA's Boogie man. Watch out for the Boogie Man, it MIGHT tell us to go in the corner.....oh no! What you are forgetting is that RA and management want to continue the consolidation roll, and don't want distractions from pilot negotiations that could get ugly (and produce a slower SOC if everyone is bogged down in negotiations).

sailingfun

03-03-2012 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by More Bacon (Post 1145105)

Using that logic, I guess DALPA could also say,

"In fact the contract pilots demand is available today if the company were to offer it."

Sounds pretty silly, doesn't it?

News flash: the company won't offer it. DALPA is going to have to pony up, earn those cushy perks, and ruffle some feathers to produce results.

I say again: stop rolling over for the company and refusing to hold yourselves accountable for this ridiculous "constructive engagement." Or DALPA's gone.

You don't seem to understand what SIL were and why we had them. The company was never required to offer SIL's. It was always at their option. It was a program they tried that failed to produce any benefit to the company. Why would they continue to offer them. It was also introduced when we had a huge surplus of pilots in a effort to try and prevent furloughs. Those conditions don't exist now. Dalpa has not changed a single thing with regard to SIL's.

Bill Lumberg

03-03-2012 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1145208)

But LM did a TA allowing them to go to ZERO credit. See, when DL actually needed SILs and didn't want to furlough more, they had too many pilots and had to pay each one 70 hours per month minimum (guaranteed reserve pay). LM or Malone negotiated SILs that helped the company by lowering it to 55 hours (saving 15 hours), but giving the pilots the month off. Then LM did a secret TA that brought that down to ZERO hours. How did that help? It helped the company, not us. THANKS for that, ALPA........ Sailing still doesn't get it....

johnso29

03-03-2012 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1145018)

Very interesting. It would be a very positive development if ALPA national could shake the cult of Kim Jong Moak. DALPA couldn't...for whatever reason. If ALPA could go back to a model of true transparency and trade unionism, it could really turn things around. If Mr. Moak is allowed to continue the model of secret strategies developed by very small groups of like minded disciples while "mushrooming" everyone else, ALPA will be history.

Carl

Holy Crap Carl! I tend to disagree with you more then agree with you, but this is spot on! LMAO! You've got me rolling!! :D :D

Bill Lumberg

03-03-2012 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1145208)

You don't seem to understand what SIL were and why we had them. The company was never required to offer SIL's. It was always at their option. It was a program they tried that failed to produce any benefit to the company. Why would they continue to offer them. It was also introduced when we had a huge surplus of pilots in a effort to try and prevent furloughs. Those conditions don't exist now. Dalpa has not changed a single thing with regard to SIL's.

Except the part on how much they are WORTH. Talk about BONEHEAD!!! I guess you forgot they used to be worth 55 hours Sailing. THE SPIN ZONE IS IN EFFECT..... It still saved the company money, but lowering it to zero hours really saved them money....

johnso29

03-03-2012 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg (Post 1145214)

So they had the option to pay a guy 55 hours, which was more expensive then paying a guy 65-70 hours? :confused:

tsquare

03-03-2012 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by More Bacon (Post 1144763)

Whatever DPA does, they'll do it better, cheaper, and more efficiently than ALPA. For starters, they'll have every single cent of Delta dues money dedicated to Delta pilots. They will not fund a bloated, self-serving, and corrupt bureaucracy at national. And they WILL NOT be legally required to subsidize/advocate for regional pilot groups who are trying to take our jobs and erode our quality of life, like ALPA is. They will hire the best legal and other assistance whose ONLY interests are those of Delta pilots. All of that by itself is enough to sell me. Everything else is gravy.

The real question is, what is ALPA going to do on this contract to earn the irrational bennies they've been enjoying since BK? BK was a bloodbath for line pilots. But not for DALPA's inner circle. Are you familiar with their obscene FPL and stipend allowances? Have you seen DALPA's expenses (on our dime) from their FL, and other boondoggles? Of course you have.

Every single Delta pilot I've spoken to on the jumpseat or in the hotel van realizes that DPA is not going to happen on this contract. But every single one will vote to boot ALPA if this contract is insufficient. Argue all you want, get as personal as you like, but that's the way it is. Show me the money.

blah blah blah.. talk talk talk... promise promise promise... and the damn thing is, they don't have to produce anything to get suckers to buy into the rhetoric...:rolleyes:

trico

03-03-2012 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TenYearsGone (Post 1145124)

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And now from my generous nature. I would like this watch for all my "Delta Brothers" as a good faith gift from Management. This beauty was developed for the Pan AM pilots in 1952. Pan Am management went directly to Rolex and requested them to build this GMT watch for their pilots.:)

Imagine, what a great uniform piece this would be!!!

TEN

Oh Yeah! I must be getting old 'cause this has more of an affect on me than underboob!(well, almost)

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