Airline Pilot Central Forums - Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?

Some of you guys are starting to appear to be so pro DPA that you are also becoming anti Delta pilot. Maybe I'm wrong, but I get the feeling that some of you are rooting for DALPA to totally screw things up even more just so you can say, "See, I was right."

I get the fact that you are ticked off at DALPA. Most pilots around here have some serious gripes with them. But, let the record show for me that even though I think DALPA has dropped the ball on many issues, it's contract time. Meaning, it's time to get paid. Like paid what we should have been getting paid 5-7 years ago.

Right now, DALPA is up to bat, and if they strike out by bringing home a crappy TA, then it's time for them to go. But, until then, because I'm wearing the same uniform as them, I sincerely hope they hit a home run.

Let's not root to have our noses cut off, so in 18 months we can spite Sailing, Slow, Alpha, or Ts. That's just dumb, and personally I feel I've been underpaid long enough.

I hope I'm wrong and hope everyone feels the same.....

One of the best posts on the topic.

At the end of the day, we all want the best possible outcome, even if we disagree on strategies. If anyone is on here trying to defend/promote an entity for the sake of defending/promoting an entity, they're doing a disservice to the group.

Regardless, the most definitive and accurate thing to be said on the L&G thread about the ALPA/DPA discussion is this:

There is a thread for that.

acl65pilot

03-04-2012 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Jughead (Post 1145535)

OK...forum foul. You can't throw that out without more detail. I'll be waiting here all day.

He means that the company will come to the MEC with just a good enough offer that it has to go to memrat. It will probably be a two year extension with minor changes so that they can go on their shopping spree. It makes sense to have us locked down and probably supporting whatever acquisition they choose to do. Saves time and keeps their costs known going forward.

I said I would be surprised to see section 6 about sic months ago. The company's window is closing but there is still time for them to do this.

Sink r8

03-04-2012 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Jughead (Post 1145340)

My point was, there are many, many things which should take priority over changing a uniform which has served the pilot group just fine for the last 70 years.

Exactly. I'd like to fill out a survey about whether I hate the noise level in some of our airplanes because I'm going deaf, or whether I hate the noise level in some of our airplanes (800, this is for you) because I'm exhausted at the end of a long leg.

I tried to tell the Wilson Polling guy this, but I couldn't hear him well, and couldn't gauge when it was time for editorial comments.

slowplay

03-04-2012 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1145518)

There is a wild card to the entire contract issue. Things are happening in the industry and happening fast. It appears both the CEO, VP Flight ops and sleepy ED Bastion are all going to show this week for the MEC meeting. This is highly unusual. There is a distinct possibility we may not get to section 6 negotiations at all. I will leave that statement hanging out there. The next 6 months will be very interesting.

I looked at the agenda that got e-mailed to us this weekend and I found no mention of RA, EB or SD coming to this meeting. They were at the January meeting in DC.

nwaf16dude

03-04-2012 06:30 AM

Here's a little potential good news...according to the latest 75/76 standards newsletter, the parking of the 5500's has been delayed for 2 years for "marketing objectives.". That supports LCA rumors that the 737-900's may not all be replacements after all. Here's hoping...

sailingfun

03-04-2012 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by CVG767A (Post 1145520)

I've been told by a couple of people that max pickup limits don't apply to military charters, yet I can't find that in the contract. Can anyone point me to where that clause is located? Thanks.

Military charters are now handled like any other open time. All limits apply.

Wasatch Phantom

03-04-2012 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1145549)

While I'm not privy to the contract survey results, my impression from talking with fellow pilots is they are not in a mood to keeping "kicking the can down the road".

What I mean by that is many (I think the vast majority...) are tired of the bankruptcy pay-rates and work rules we are still working under. Yes, there have been some work rule improvements, but any offer from the company will have to be very significant.

A few shares of stock and another couple of years of COLA-like increases will not be acceptable this time....

forgot to bid

03-04-2012 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1145518)

There is a distinct possibility we may not get to section 6 negotiations at all. I will leave that statement hanging out there. The next 6 months will be very interesting.

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Originally Posted by Jughead (Post 1145535)

OK...forum foul. You can't throw that out without more detail. I'll be waiting here all day.

FORUM FOUL!

http://www.japemonster.com/wp-conten...arty-foul1.jpg

That Kirk Herbstreit!

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1145518)

sleepy ED Bastion

I'll bite, why sleepy? Does he put you to sleep or does he fall asleep in meetings?

trico

03-04-2012 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by FIIGMO (Post 1145414)

Sweet jesus who the hell can afford a rolex? :eek:

It isn't easy. I drive a 15 yr old mini-van, my long-suffering wife didn't get a real diamond until 15 years into our marriage, coincidentally shortly after I bought my watch:rolleyes:, I pack my own food for trips - yep, my priorities are not conventional.

jherk02

03-04-2012 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Vikz09 (Post 1145308)

AE out Monday 17 DC-9's sticking around through 2013. 7 will be retired because they are coming up on heavy checks. DC-9 sim will move to atl. ATL will have some 767 displacements. Discuss.

My guess is that it will take almost all of the current DTW and MSP -9 crews to staff 17 airplanes. So the unknown for me is will they open an ATL -9 base? At first this seems like a waste, but given the fact that a lot of folks will decide to commute the job and those that move would be destine to move to ATL eventually, I'm not so sure the ATL -9 base would be such a waste.

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