Originally Posted by More Bacon (Post 1145337)

Are you trying to convince us that we're not worth SWA+ pay? Why would you do that?

Isn't that management's job? Are you in management? whether you are or aren't, there's no excuse for sandbagging on this contract. sit down and shut the **** up.

Originally Posted by Columbia (Post 1145357)

Just like NASCAR fans who think wearing a short to the race means going formal.

Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1145365)

I've only got payscales going back to 1990, but there haven't been any "ups and downs" in Southwest pay rates. I don't know how to do the FtB magic posting of excel docs, but your tfp converted to hourly rates undercut Delta by a minimum of 15% in September 1991 (DAL$143.21/LUV $122.04) up to 37% in May 2004 (DAL $256/LUV $162). Our pay plunged 32.5% with LOA-46 in December 2004, and was reduced a further 14% in December 2005. LOA-46 was the first time your payrates equaled ours; prior to that your company had created a labor arbitrage where your pilots worked for less in wages but "made it up" in growth. Your CEO sent a cautionary letter in December now that the rest of the industry is below you in wage rates and the arbitrage is no longer working.

Your contract is amendable in September, no? Maybe you guys can finally raise the bar for others to pull up on rather than what you've done throughout your history.

Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1145365)

Your contract is amendable in September, no? Maybe you guys can finally raise the bar for others to pull up on rather than what you've done throughout your history.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1145405)

You and your chief leaker sailingfun have done nothing but tell us the SWAPA contract is unattainable/not what we really want anyway. Why would you want SWAPA to raise the bar further when you do nothing but try to get us to accept our fate of being below the current SWAPA bar?

Carl

Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1145386)

Geez, T. Sometimes you really have problems with the nuances of a discussion. Maybe if you spent more time actually reading and thinking about what I say instead of trying to find some inconsistency to play "gotcha"... you'd be able to come up with more appropriate comments.

Let's talk specific numbers that I am advocating and see how it compares with your take on my post...

The average SWA Captain (including reserves) makes $234,000/year. The average Delta MD-88 Captain (assuming 80 hours per month by the time you include reserves) makes $161,280.

In order to restore our current pay rates to C2K+COLA (all other things being equal), we need a 72.5% increase in rate.

In order to match our current MD-88 pilot W2 pay to SWA pilot W2 pay, we need a 45.5% increase.

I have clearly stated on multiple occasions that I believe our objective should be C2K+COLA and that, being reasonable, I would be willing to accept as a minimum pay parity with the average SWA pilot. So my range is from 72.5% desired to 45.5% minimum acceptable. Are you with with me so far?

Now, let's imagine a situation in which SWA pilots were to get a big pay raise. Let's say they get a 20% pay raise. (I'm not saying this is what will happen... I'm just making a point.) That would put their average Captain at $280,800.

Now, let's imagine a situation in which we are able to negotiate pay parity with SWA's current pilot pay. That would put our average MD-88 Captain at $234,000. Like I said before, that would be minimally acceptable to me. If SWA pilots get a pay increase tomorrow, do I care that they are jumping ahead of that? Hell no! I'd be happy for them. If anything, it helps us to more easily obtain future increases to hopefully get us closer to that C2K+COLA I think we should be shooting for. And like I said before, I don't see it as a competition. I just want to be compensated appropriately, and certainly not compensated as if we were still in bankruptcy. The current level of SWA pay is what I have identified as minimally appropriate.

Originally Posted by More Bacon (Post 1145190)

As much as I want DALPA gone, they will be negotiating this contract. From that standpoint, I hope they change enough to get us the massive improvements we demand.

So I don't want DALPA to change to save DALPA. I'm hoping they'll change enough to succeed on the contract. But I'm not holding my breath.

Originally Posted by trico (Post 1145350)

I just got my Rolex back from my watch guy in SMF. He is not Rolex certified but is A+ in every way. Very meticulous and does a Rolex service for $275. He works on all my watches and is a pleasure to work with. PM me if interested in details or you can google Paul's Watch and Clock Repair.
I've heard good and bad about RSCs, but have no personal experience with them. From what I've heard, be wary of the cosmetic replacements they may recommend. Your watch probably doesn't need new hands, dial etc. but that's where they make their money.

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1145408)

Hey Carl, you need to throw a leash around your boy Bacon.. he's really making the donuts look pretty bad.. or don't.. your choice..

Originally Posted by Vikz09 (Post 1145308)

AE out Monday 17 DC-9's sticking around through 2013. 7 will be retired because they are coming up on heavy checks. DC-9 sim will move to atl. ATL will have some 767 displacements. Discuss.