Airline Pilot Central Forums - Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?

BTW, in my dealings and others who have sent me emails, texts or pm's about this subject, the common response from rep's has been "the new system is what pilots demanded and if you don't like the system it's because your junior." Which is, let's all recall, a relative thing because you can be a 1987 hire sitting reserve on the 777A and not be happy.

But did I miss the survey on this? When did it happen?

One thing though, I've seen a change in tone to the positive and more receptive to other ideas lately, and that I appreciate.

It was the Scheduling Optimization Team survey that resulted in LOA 29 which was passed via MEC vote and not MEMRAT.

Even though it would have passed via MEMRAT, I urged my reps to have it sent to the pilots if nothing more than to get their heads back in to the PWA.

trico

03-07-2012 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg (Post 1147400)

I don't think Gautbomb (PBGC head) will allow any of the pensions to be terminated.

If all the other parties involved agree to a termination does the PBGC get a vote? If they can't stop a termination can they massage it in a certain direction or form?

georgetg

03-07-2012 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1147404)

The PBGC can make as much noise as they want, but the company can get the pilots to willingly terminate if they come down to imposing a new contract.

AMR is worried the pilots would take their lump sum and leave...

-AMR needs pilots
-AMR knows many AA pilots would leave if they could
-AA pilots via the PBGC are still the largest single creditor contingent

Cheers
George

More Bacon

03-07-2012 11:39 AM

I apologize if this has been asked before.

Would a contract extension require MEMRAT?

acl65pilot

03-07-2012 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by georgetg (Post 1147412)

Many will wait to see what money they get out of there, ala DAL. Fact is that AMR will at a min need 2000 less pilots switching to PBS and our type of work rules.

Horton will either get them to cave or he will throw the contract out and then open up the bidding on assets. Ugly, ugly, ugly.

nwaf16dude

03-07-2012 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by More Bacon (Post 1147414)

I apologize if this has been asked before.

Would a contract extension require MEMRAT?

It would if ALPA wants to continue as our bargaining agent. I'm not a DPA supporter, but if DALPA signs off on a low-ball contract extension without memrat I will become one, and I expect many more would as well. If the extension is for an immediate 30% raise or better, then I'll take back the first two sentences.;)

acl65pilot

03-07-2012 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by More Bacon (Post 1147414)

I apologize if this has been asked before.

Would a contract extension require MEMRAT?

9 B 1.a DALPA Policy Manual

B. Ratification of Agreements
1. MEC Ratification Policy:
a. Collective bargaining agreements that have been approved by the MEC
and result from negotiations undertaken pursuant to both Section 28 of the
PWA and Section 6 of the Railway Labor Act that both resolve all Section
6 issues and conclude Section 6 negotiations shall be subject to
membership ratification. All other agreements shall be subject only to
MEC ratification unless the MEC determines that an agreement should be
subject to membership ratification.

forgot to bid

03-07-2012 12:01 PM