Not really, but it is not bad enough to scuttle this deal. I have been reading the language.. not just listening to talking points and forum BS.. and I like what I have read. The BEST part of this is that it is a 3 year deal. It will sync us up with where management is going wrt paydown of debt and other high finance type stuff. When we are below $10 billion.. that is HUGE for DAL.. $900 million in interest payment savings. Capital markets open.. stuff will happen. Some will happen prior..(more good stuff will happen if this is ratified) but more will happen after that paydown happens. And that is when we would be up for another bite of the apple. I REALLY like our chances then. Cue the "we'll get 'em next time" guys... 3...2...1...

SWAPA has gotten to where they are by slow and steady, and many think they are gods now. Yet we want to go for the whole castle with one attack. Defies logic IMHO, but whatever. No matter how you spin it, these are industry leading pay rates, and that ain't too shabby. We'll be on the next contract before UAL or USAir have their first one...

What work rule givebacks? We will get 4:30/day... The trip I am on right now... (for all intents a 3 day) is worth 12:00 now... under this TA it will be 13:30. That's not an improvement? The reserve system is a huge improvement.. As a reserve guy, I really like what I have read.. so far about it, but I am not yet an expert on that part. Tell me what I have missed so far wrt work rules.

I liked it at first, and if this thing passes will welcome a bit more change on my paycheck.... but:

The ALV+15 involuntary rule has been admitted to require around 300 fewer pilots in the system for staffing.

More stagnation and thus the longer for you and I to finally get off reserve or move up categories- so in actuality it can reduce our long term pay by not being able to hold a line (much more money capability) or holding higher gauge categories.

The 4+30 is better, but it is at least a half hour below what it should be. Like the RJ stuff and pay on the TA, the reserve area is very underwhelming.

Interesting that I think the improvements to reserve are pretty good. It didn't take a rocket surgeon to realize that paying the reserves more would result in fewer pilot requirements.. that was a real DUH moment if you ask me... but I still think the reserve stuff is pretty good. I have to study on the ALV +15 thing and the 99 hour thingy to know zactly what that means, but I don't think they are month in and month out things... If they are, I hope they fly me 99 hours/month.. I'll take a couple off after that... and that plus my extra week of vacation would give me 3 months on the beach.

That is how SWA pilots make 230K (CA) for 12 days of work and 130K (FO) for 12 days of work. In order to get to ALV (72 hours winter, 84 hours summer) we need to work 15-16 days/month and no opportunity for premium pay and if you do the numbers @ 4:30 daily average minimum then for an 84 hour month you might have to work 18.7 DAYS - YGBSM. I should be able to get ALV in 12-13 days (would even settle for 13-14 days) and neither one is going to happen without improved rigs (not just daily average but the other trip rigs need to be improved and those didn't get touched).

that one always breaks my heart, Semper FI and RIP to all who gave all.

SWA pilots do not make 230k for 12 days of work. You can easily check that by looking at the other numbers in the letter they put out to the Airtran pilots. Remember the letter was intended to put the best spin on everything. A normal line at SWA has 90 to 95 trips for pay depending on the time of year ect... Usually they are around 90. Those lines are just under 13 days working on average. They then have to pick up flying to get to the 105 trips for pay to reach the 230 figure. That puts them at 14 to 16 days depending on the quality of trips.
The part about the average SW pilot working 12 days a month over the last few years was looking back and averaging how much each pilot worked after personal leaves, military leave, sick leave, reserve, vacation ect..... The average Delta pilot works even less with the same metric.

My point? Scope isn't for sale.

What's your point? Scope is for sale.

Please try to get something for scope when you sell it. This TA gets nothing. And if you are the White Knight for the junior guy, try not to outsource his job.

SWA captain 28 years Non check airman, non union rep, bid top 3% in domicile/seat

Worked 144 days total, all DH and Training included, average 137 trips or 120 hrs for pay a month, actual flight hours 824

W2 Box 1 $289,097.62

Box 5 $313,502.76 (Medicare wages)

Over 50 so I put extra in 401k

This year on track to bust $320,000 in Box 5

Hope this helps, we are pulling for you guys, hope you get what you want.

Cheers

19 Year line Captain - non-ck airman

I worked 204 days last year. (Avg 17 days a month)

I made $389k and change. It was an unusual year with lots of premium open time.

This year I'm working less (13-14 days a month) and will make $300k


2007 hire FO. 136k last year plus another 5k in per diem.

68k so far this year as of May 20 plus 2k in per diem.