they should be able to make more coin if they want to, sure..but if we give scheduling the ability to force everyone to fly that much-that's a bad thing.

Does anyone have the data as to how many SWA pilots they have vs block hours and also number of pilots vs airframes?

Also, were do we fall in comparison to them on these stats?

Thanks

*sigh*........

pre-Airtran 561 jets 6100 pilots

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I find it amusing that during the merger, the NWA pilots were giddy about the fact that there was a max of six short calls per month. Granted it sucked that the guarantee was only 70 hrs, but at NWA everyday was a shortcall unless you were lucky enough to get a long call, which was assigned each day and long calls were the very first pilots to go out (well, behind those who had recovery rights and our recovery rights sucked real bad and that is a different story). I don't recall ever being able to say that you were full for the month at NWA. I do vividly remember working two months in a row every single day that I was on reserve (18 days each month) and that did not make momma bear all to happy. So we wanted to let the reserves make more money and we have, but now we are upset because they might work more?:confused: Reserves get a pretty nice pay increase with this TA. Possibly 80 hr guarantee a month with the potential to not fly?

well, I'm not former NWA so I don't know about that, nor should it even matter.

The way I read it, the block hour ratios are based on the number of 76s that DCI gets. If they get all 233 of them, the mainline block hours must be 1.56 that of DCI. SO if the company then parked anything up to ans including the 767-300 domestic, they would still have to maintain that ratio, ergo, they would have to fly the remaining airplanes that much more. There would be a point of diminishing return for parking airframes, but the rations would still have to be honored. So let's say they parked all the 757s. Since we have the stupid seat productivity pay schemes.. I am sure guys would be displaced to smaller airframes, BUT.. those block hours would still have to be maintained as if the 757 were still on the property.. so guys would be flying the same airframes more. Since an airplane can only fly 24 hours in one day.. the math is self limiting. It makes furlough all but impossible.. (And the furlough protections wrt the 76 seaters is punative to the company anyway so I really don't see THAT as an issue anyway) Anyway.. just my opinion, but since Carl is the king of all this I am sure he will be along in a minute to explain where I am wrong.

I am trying to figure something out here (sorry if this has been discussed previously, but it is hard to keep up here). We want to get paid as much as the SWA pilots get on their W2's. This TA puts us at their pay rates, however it will give us less W2's. Doesn't that mean that the SWA pilots actually work more that we do. Also, I did the calculations regarding number of pilots per aircraft (using data from airlinepilotcentral.com) and it looks like SWA staff's their a/c at a little less than 11 pilots per a/c while we are at a little more than 16 per a/c. If we had SWA work rules, wouldn't that be a loss of a few thousand pilot positions for us?

different aircraft types require more crews per plane. maybe if 737's was all we flew it would be a level playing field.