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I liked it at first, and if this thing passes will welcome a bit more change on my paycheck.... but:

The ALV+15 involuntary rule has been admitted to require around 300 fewer pilots in the system for staffing.

More stagnation and thus the longer for you and I to finally get off reserve or move up categories- so in actuality it can reduce our long term pay by not being able to hold a line (much more money capability) or holding higher gauge categories.

The 4+30 is better, but it is at least a half hour below what it should be. Like the RJ stuff and pay on the TA, the reserve area is very underwhelming.

More stagnation? What will the 717s do? I would think that will help, a lot. How about early out offers? I think we have been stagnate for years because of something never seen before, a retirement age change that affects us all, not started by our airline. We have to just get through that, and pilot movement should get back to normal.

Bill Lumberg

05-28-2012 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1199105)

It's not that it's not good a good thing to put some shrinkage toward DCI... but we will continue to see stagnation due to work rule givebacks on this contract and replacement but not growth aircraft. On top of that giving away 70 more mainline replacement aircraft to DCI...

We fell way short of the mark on this TA.

The 70 76 seaters only come if we get all 88 717s. Then a ratio of block hours is set up to ensure no shrinkage of total mainline flights versus DCI. Then park 148 smaller RJs. That sounds good to me.

CVG767A

05-28-2012 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by boog123 (Post 1198804)

I can't find that section. Could you reference it for me.

I'm not in love with this TA, and I'm not interested in becoming a proponent of it. If you can't live with the proposed scope clause, vote no. It's that simple.

I can live with the proposed scope, but I'm not sure the pay rates cut it. I'll decide within the next month if the bird in hand is worth holding, and vote accordingly.

That being said, I'd be surprised if the MEC's polling group hasn't already predicted passage of this thing by a comfortable margin. In the past, they've been very accurate in their predictions.

boog123

05-28-2012 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg (Post 1199166)

Can you point me in the direction where it says when we get the 88 717's, other mainline aircraft won't be parked?

Also, please show me where a MOA can't change the ratio for shrinkage.

Thanks, ready to vote yes if you can show me my guarantees

Carl Spackler

05-28-2012 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1199137)

http://www.bartcop.com/widow-at-arlington-sm.jpg

Wow. Heartbreaking. :(

Carl

Bill Lumberg

05-28-2012 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by boog123 (Post 1199180)

There may be other planes parked after the 717s arrive, like the DC9s that are close to going away. But, MD90s and 737-900s will also be arriving. I believe the ratio will cover the balance between mainline and DCI. I suggest attending a roadshow and asking these same questions.

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