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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 1199408)
This is such a great and important point.
Carl |
Originally Posted by slowplay
(Post 1199380)
What is the current block hour ratio provided in our PWA?
None. The block hour ratio shifts throughout the year. In the wintertime DCI block hours as a percentage of mainline flying tend to go up. The 1.10 is a backstop to normal execution of the business plan should things go poorly for Delta. And they can't add 10 76 seat RJ until they've added 13 B717. Current DCI fleet 598 Current DCI block hour index = 1 Current mainline fleet 618 Current MBH to DBH ratio 1.19 to 1 Endgame DCI fleet 450 Endgame DCI block hour index = 1 Endgame mainline fleet? Endgame mainline block-hour ratio to DCI block-hour ratio 1.56 to 1 Percentage reduction in DCI fleet 24.7% If DCI flies a smaller fleet with no reduction in block hours, we haven't really "taken back flying to mainline." All we got is more large DCI jets producing the same number of block hours, generating more ASMs. We will have modernized and upgauged the DCI fleet, increased DCI ASM production at a lower cost, with a smaller number of jets, but we will not have "reduced DCI flying." If on the other hand the smaller DCI fleet results in the reduction of block hours at DCI, that will affect the DBH. If DCI block hours are reduced by 24.7% after all 717 and 76-seaters are delivered, the ratio of 1.56 will result in a guarantee of 2% fewer mainline bloch hours than our current 1.19 ratio produces Cheers George |
Originally Posted by JobHopper
(Post 1199401)
You are working on the assumption that the mailnline fleet size will grow; I am assuming it will not. Everything the company has done post-merger has been static growth, if not backwards. Did I miss a philosophy change somewhere? I think the 717s will be offset with additional aircraft retirements; we just haven't been told yet. Believe me, I would love to be 100% wrong on that one.
Slow is correct the ratios will drive more mainline flying. More work = more money. But that is Section 3 (Compensation) value, not scope value. The TA caps the number of 50 seaters, aircraft which would never have flown here, regardless. The aircraft which could be flown here (in my opinion, should be flown here) are permanantly assigned to the RJ fleets. When I got hired at NWA, the DC-9 fleet all by itself (204 planes) was the 4th largest airline in the country. 225 DC-9-10 size aircraft, permanently off property assigned to Delta flying. Does anyone grasp how big that is? There's your scope value. Bar, you're way better at numbers than I am. If I am off base about 400 captain slots, please correct me. |
Originally Posted by tsquare
(Post 1199416)
If he is right and there ARE 400 captains seats... THERE is your scope value.
I should correct this by saying 400 new captain slots, not replacement slots driven by the retirement program and all the other machinations going on here. |
Originally Posted by tsquare
(Post 1199416)
If he is right and there ARE 400 captains seats... THERE is your scope value.
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There's a new negotiator's notepad about scope up on the alpa web site.
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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude
(Post 1199426)
There's a new negotiator's notepad about scope up on the alpa web site.
Completely disingenuous. |
Originally Posted by georgetg
(Post 1199413)
Ok slow, so now you are mixing in the concept of airframes, let me see if I understand:
Current DCI fleet 598 Current DCI block hour index = 1 Current mainline fleet 618 Current MBH to DBH ratio 1.19 to 1 Endgame DCI fleet 450 Endgame DCI block hour index = 1 Endgame mainline fleet? Endgame mainline block-hour ratio to DCI block-hour ratio 1.56 to 1 Percentage reduction in DCI fleet 24.7% If DCI flies a smaller fleet with no reduction in block hours, we haven't really "taken back flying to mainline." All we got is more large DCI jets producing the same number of block hours, generating more ASMs. We will have modernized and upgauged the DCI fleet, increased DCI ASM production at a lower cost, with a smaller number of jets, but we will not have "reduced DCI flying." If on the other hand the smaller DCI fleet results in the reduction of block hours at DCI, that will affect the DBH. If DCI block hours are reduced by 24.7% after all 717 and 76-seaters are delivered, the ratio of 1.56 will result in a guarantee of 2% fewer mainline bloch hours than our current 1.19 ratio produces Cheers George In reference to the bolded above. Okay I'll agree that we have not "taken back flying to mainline" from DCI if their block hours remain the same.....But if DCI block hours stay the same (albiet with a more modern fleet) have not mainline block hours increased significantly because of the ratio now required? There by requiring more jobs? Denny |
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1199424)
Does that include the 300 jobs lost through the new reserve work rules?
Denny |
Originally Posted by Denny Crane
(Post 1199432)
Or the 300 estimated early retirements?:);) Gotta throw in the good with the bad!!:)
Denny |
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