Originally Posted by CVG767A (Post 1202556)

Heck, I have no idea. That 45 hour stat was put out by Scrappy at the road show.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1202554)

Today. How about in 2007, 2008, 2010-11 on certain seats?
I know I broke ALV for 18 straight months ending in September of last year.

Originally Posted by whitt767 (Post 1202573)

Did you yellowslip, or fly on your off days? Rolling thunder? I think you were unique.

Originally Posted by CVG767A (Post 1202545)

Average reserve at Delta flies 45hrs/month, according to DALPA

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1202577)

Acl is yellow slip king!

Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1202542)

Did these men get it right?

Lee Moak
Tim O'Malley
Parri Olmstead
Mike Pinho
Rick Dominguez
Roger White
Rich Harwood
Ken Rogers

Let's not kid ourselves. I undoubtedly left a few names off the list but these are the men who wrote this contract. With stunning speed, the whole intricate (and time consuming) "process" was circumvented.

When we cast our vote the question we need to answer is do we trust the judgment of the handful of people who brought us this contract? This is not the contract the pilots wanted and it is not the contract the MEC wanted.
This was done by a very small group of people who decided what they thought was best for Delta Air Lines and the Delta pilots. They largely disregarded the survey, excluded the elected reps and cut a deal. They then used the powerful machinery at their disposal to get it out to membership ratification. The information and communication resources they control are formidable. They overwhelmed our MEC reps with National's lawyers, economists, political types warning about our chances at the NMB, etc. etc. They are doing the same with the pilot group as a whole.

Make no mistake. These are smart guys. Big picture guys. They've been in power a long time. They are not management but they clearly view themselves as managers of the pilot group. They are pilot advocates and they want everything they can get for the pilots but they also see themselves as responsible for the corporation's health. They believe deeply in the philosophy of labor participation in "corporate governance". They place great value on a pilot member of the board of directors. etc. etc.

I haven't seen the survey but it seems obvious that in many areas these people substituted their judgment for the collective wishes of the pilot group and our elected reps.

On the other hand, "Time value of money" is not just a slogan or cliche. It is real. The dysfunctional, anti-labor NMB is also real. These men made a strategic decision to make an end run around the long, torturous, drawn out NMB negotiation and mediation system that has undeniably been broken for the last decade. That may have been a stroke of brilliance and the best thing that ever happened or it may have cost us hundreds of millions. Would the Railway Labor Act have worked for us or slowly smothered us? That's the decision we have to make. Will we really do better by taking that long road?

It's done. Fait accompli. We have a TA. We are going to vote.
We need to decide -- did these men get it right?

Originally Posted by Jack Bauer (Post 1202602)

Isn't Olmstead the guy on the DALPA forum constantly berating members giving reasons why everybody needs to have lower expectations?

Originally Posted by Opus (Post 1202325)

Why we should vote YES:

There are two arenas of ideas: What is right or ideal and what is real world. Let's start in the world of academia. Pilots have lost their pensions; our buying power is 1/3 of what is was in 1989 and we gave more in BK than any other employee group, all of whom (except us) are back to pre-bk wages, including management. Our jobs have been outsourced to the unprofitable point that a whole new pilot world has been created since 9/11 where 1/4 of all flights have pilots making 25k or less. Food stamp wages, literally, and yet the DCI carriers can only survive with mainline subsidies. (Note out to any management reading our boards, stop hiring these Ivy league geniuses, they're idiots!)

Real world: Management is desperate to get out of 50 seat jets as they are major anchors on profits. Guys are worried over the easing over the 76 jet but let me just say don't worry so much about this. The old catch 22 of be careful of what you wish for is coming back to Airline management. They changed the numeration of our industry but in doing so they emptied the pipeline of future professionals who have looked at the numbers and have walked away. Don't believe me? Look at Purdue, North Dakota, Embry Riddle, American Flyers. All have attendance at all time lows. When the retirements come and the 1500 hr mins hit, the airlines will be screaming for relief.

Pay: Sure, okay, no doubt I have many professional friends, as well, who can't believe that an international 7er capt makes only 181 hr or 90 an hour on a 40hr/week pay scale. Our worth, our value, what we do is not defined by what we are being paid. The synergies the company has enjoyed, the learning by memo, the merging of cultures (hey, we may even see Carl and Slowplay drinking a beer together in Nrt with Acl buying) has allowed Delta to post 3B in profits in 18 months. But, with all that being said, the world we live in values cheap tickets, a competitor desirous to have its employees work for rj wages, Europe on the financial brink, war with Iran, etc. So, being a product of the public schools, the way I see it is the company is offering us a 16% raise in next 18 months without a fight. Keeping it simple, from the "Art of War"... fight no fight unless the outcome is assured. I say vote yes. Rome wasn't built in a day.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1202603)

No, He's the NC Chairman, former Scheduling Committee Chairman and the pilot that wrote "When Scheduling Calls/"