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sinca3 08-14-2012 02:33 PM

Midnight tonight is deadline for old people to pull their bids for the early out. What is the final number we are going to see?
My best guess is 17 will pull their papers leaving 234 heading for the door

Bucking Bar 08-14-2012 02:38 PM

Delta Air Lines Inc. will spend up to $20.5 million on severance packages for Comair pilots, a union official said Tuesday.

That works out to about $31,000 for each of Comair’s 660 active pilots.

“It’s quite a bit more than what the company was contractually required to give us,” said Alan Cook, spokesman for the local bargaining unit of the Air Line Pilots Association.

Delta (NYSE: DAL) last month announced the closure of its wholly owned regional carrier, effective Sept. 29.

The Atlanta-based airline confirmed Monday that it reached severance deals with unions representing pilots, machinists and flight attendants.

But it referred questions about severance packages to union leaders.

Cook said the pilot’s union secured three months of health coverage and an assurance that all sick days and vacation days would be fully paid. Eighty percent of payments will be dependant on pilots showing up for at least 85 percent of their scheduled flights. Another 20 percent of payments will depend on how many Comair flights are cancelled because of maintenance problems, crew shortages and other issues.

“Right after the (Comair closure) announcement, we had over 100 sick calls per day,” Cook said. “We’ve got a lot of pilots who had a lot of sick time. They were concerned that they weren’t going to be paid for that.”

The union representing Comair machinists said yesterday that its 240 members would receive severance benefits of up to $40,000 per employee, depending on tenure. Both unions secured a provision for its members to fly free on Delta after Comair closes.

Mesabah 08-14-2012 02:47 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1245570)
Mesabah,

Not really. Contract 2000 actually improved some scope.* But, it had some off the wall economic assumptions. Reality began to hit almost immediately. Delta management was so far off the mark that old time Delta insiders believe Fred Reid and Mullin deliberately bankrupted the Company, and it nearly got away from them. Scope trading appears more of a defensive play to gut the contract without giving up it's pecuniary aspects. This was performed in the poisoned environment that the 2000 ALPA BOD meeting created with the denial of merger requests from ASA and Comair.

The first "scope sales" were at Eastern, US Air, then United. Delta came along with United plus and somehow ALPA at it's highest levels decided outsourcing is good.

* ASA had 120 seat jets and was shopping 737's to replace them. Contract 2000 placed a whole host of new restrictions on "Connection" flying.

I agree with what you're saying, but I will add that under labor law, no scope contract is a solid scope contract. Permitted flying must be specially stated in a scope contract for it to be legally outsourced. So while it appeared that scope was being restricted in that contract, it was actually being sold off.

Denny Crane 08-14-2012 03:01 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1245576)
Hate to interrupt the fur ball.....but some Bs are out.

Carry on.


That's putting it mildly!!:eek::) I'd make a comment but it's not worth getting in the middle of said "fur ball."

Denny

galaxy flyer 08-14-2012 03:17 PM

Bucking Bar

I like your posts, smart, on point, humorous, but you have some splainin' to do about EA starting "scope sales", please, Sir. Unless you consider Air New England's DC-3s. There weren't any planes that were worth outsourcing, back before the DC-9 became the Mad Dog.

GF

Bucking Bar 08-14-2012 03:34 PM


Originally Posted by galaxy flyer (Post 1245607)
Bucking Bar

I like your posts, smart, on point, humorous, but you have some splainin' to do about EA starting "scope sales", please, Sir. Unless you consider Air New England's DC-3s. There weren't any planes that were worth outsourcing, back before the DC-9 became the Mad Dog.

GF

Randy Babbit, spoke about his work as Eastern's MEC Chair and is the only ALPA leader who I've heard apologize for permitted flying. He stated that union facilitated outsourcing began under his watch, I think it was with Eastern Metro, Bar Harbor and Southeast. He stated something along the lines of "we pushed B scale off the property." He praised what the Pan Am pilots did, expanding their seniority list down to capture their Pan Am Expess pilots.

The Metroliners and Bandits had their day. The Dash 8's and ATR's are still going strong.

If you want specifics I'll have to dig through a couple of books. Most of this happened pre-internet.

Mr. Babbit, from what I can tell, is a straight shooter and has my respect.

Jughead 08-14-2012 03:36 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1245570)
* ASA had 120 seat jets and was shopping 737's to replace them. Contract 2000 placed a whole host of new restrictions on "Connection" flying.

Hmmm. I don't remember this. Not saying it didn't happen, but I was on the Scope-Jet (BAe146-200) from the very beginning, until the time ASA got rid of them. I was Bee-ill's (say that like I typed it, and you'll know who I speak of) training partner at IAD at the Presidential Airlines facility. They were 108 seat jets, reconfigured to 88 pax seats. I never heard about any potential 737's, but Pickett and Beiser never told me jack squat.

UncleSam 08-14-2012 03:46 PM


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1245599)
That's putting it mildly!!:eek::) I'd make a comment but it's not worth getting in the middle of said "fur ball."

Amen brother! We will never accomplish what we are able to with such bickering among ourselves.

scambo1 08-14-2012 03:47 PM


Originally Posted by Jughead (Post 1245619)
Hmmm. I don't remember this. Not saying it didn't happen, but I was on the Scope-Jet (BAe146-200) from the very beginning, until the time ASA got rid of them. I was Bee-ill's (say that like I typed it, and you'll know who I speak of) training partner at IAD at the Presidential Airlines facility. They were 108 seat jets, reconfigured to 88 pax seats. I never heard about any potential 737's, but Pickett and Beiser never told me jack squat.

I think what Bar is referring to is related to actually training and typing ASA pilots on the 73NG sometime around 2001-2 (if I remember correctly). It did happen, but I don't know for how many pilots it happened.

dragon 08-14-2012 03:52 PM


Originally Posted by UncleSam (Post 1245623)
Amen brother! We will never accomplish what we are able to with such bickering among ourselves.

Agreed. Contract passed, we have to get behind it. Now, just how senior will reserve go now that the ALVs are shrinking. Wonder also how this will affect the bids for the AE.


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