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Visine drinks....

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1245495)

Ya know what? You are wrong on one very important level. All the "junior" guys have a very very important luxury that the "older" guys do not have. Time. It really needs no explanation. That being said, while I am not going to cry over the spilled milk, I do not believe scope is for sale 'at any price' no matter how hard you and ftb try to paint me otherwise. Younger, junior guys have that luxury to recover whereas the more senior guys do not. To say that the junior guys have a more holistic approach is utter nonsense. They are analyzing it just as hard as any of the senior guys, it comes back to that time thingy again... There is a balance that must be struck, that is all I am saying, and I think the NC did a great job of doing so. ftb and you obviously do not agree, so the more senior should take a paycut to satisfy YOUR wishes... Talk about selfish.

To continue with the same question I asked ftb. Do YOU think they are gonna get the CAL scope clause at UAL, and if so, what are they gonna have to give up to get it? Or.. Is Jeff just gonna give them a 40% payraise AND the more restrictive scope?

Very few are young any more. The youngest have stagnated for ten years.

The milk was not spilled. The milk was traded, sold.

I do not know what, if any, change in pay would be required to recover scope. In this most recent contract we both improved scope and pay. It has been my passionate argument that our outsourcing is based on a false economy. The same holds true at UAL. Until there is an honest economic assessment made we really don't know the numbers.

Generally, the more productive (senior) equipment is underpaid when pay versus capacity is measured.

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Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1245559)

What they conveniently leave out is that contract C2K and its predecessor were paid for largely by scope sales.

Whether it was intentional or not, it did prove one very important thing- once you give up scope, it's gone.

How much have we reduced the jumbo RJ fleet since they first showed up?

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Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1245559)

What they conveniently leave out is that contract C2K and its predecessor were paid for largely by scope sales.

Mesabah,

Not really. Contract 2000 actually improved some scope.* But, it had some off the wall economic assumptions. Reality began to hit almost immediately. Delta management was so far off the mark that old time Delta insiders believe Fred Reid and Mullin deliberately bankrupted the Company, and it nearly got away from them. Scope trading appears more of a defensive play to gut the contract without giving up it's pecuniary aspects. This was performed in the poisoned environment that the 2000 ALPA BOD meeting created with the denial of merger requests from ASA and Comair.

The first "scope sales" were at Eastern, US Air, then United. Delta came along with United plus and somehow ALPA at it's highest levels decided outsourcing is good.

* ASA had 120 seat jets and was shopping 737's to replace them. Contract 2000 placed a whole host of new restrictions on "Connection" flying.

I'd consider it... if the pay was right... but my world isn't based on what airplane I fly, just where I fly it and what days I get off.

http://images2.jetphotos.net/img/2/0...1192975240.jpg

Hate to interrupt the fur ball.....but some Bs are out.

Carry on.

That is one fugley airplane!

It's amazing how they can take something nice, like a King Air and...destroy it!

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1245543)

You are gonna rocket thru the rest of your career.

T2,

It's hard to give any credibility to anything you type after that. We'll deal with our own disappointments as they come. My generation's career problems can extend beyond BK's and 911's. Not to mention furlough.

Otherwise, I have no interest in this exchange.

Regards,

Sink r8

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Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1245577)

That is one fugley airplane!

It's amazing how they can take something nice, like a King Air and...destroy it!

Don't diss the mighty D model. It has a stand-up cabin.

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1245572)

I'd consider it... if the pay was right... but my world isn't based on what airplane I fly, just where I fly it and what days I get off.

http://images2.jetphotos.net/img/2/0...1192975240.jpg

We killed that airline, thank God!