Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1246069)

That was the concern without it spelled out in the TA, but alas, its our PWA now.

Originally Posted by Free Bird (Post 1246012)

Sailing,

Many of us have seen very few positive events while at Delta. As a new hire in 2001 we were told that hiring would be 30 a month indefinitely. At that time captain seats in MCO were 3-4 years. Months later we didn't have jobs anymore. Many had furloughs than were in excess of 5 years! For those of us who came back, we've found stagnation due to the age 65 change, a merger and the worst economy since the depression. As a result, many of us are on the 12 year pay scale and still 11% from the bottom of the seniority list. Our latest contract raises the ALV, I already work 15-16 days a month as a line holder, I really don't care to be away from home more than that. Being stuck on the bottom half of a category with PBS for years is not exactly fun. It also doesn't lend itself to controlling the type of trips we get. Maybe I should bid down from the 88 to the DC-9 for some quality of life?

I really hope the 88 717's are all growth, I really do. After what we've been through we would be naive to count our chickens before they hatch. My best guess is that some of us "glass 1/2 empty" types are looking at 17-18 years before we see our first Left seat. Again, I hope I'm wrong on that. The promise of "Someday" being told to me by senior pilots and management has yet to come. I know, I know, someday...............

Originally Posted by APCLurker (Post 1246107)

Once again.....^^^^^ THIS

Much more "PC" than I would probably have said it.

I simply have to laugh when certain individuals call others too pessimistic or leaking glasses or whatever else. I'm guessing most of them were able to hold a captain seat by year 11, if not darn close, let alone still being in the bottom 10% of the list. And 5 years of FE duty (frequent tale of woe): I'd have taken that in a heartbeat over furlough.


[rant off]

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1245952)

Anybody else see this....

From Council 66

At the regular MEC meeting in CVG today, the MEC passed a resolution granting a refund of dues money paid into the SMRA account. More than $7 million will be returned to the Delta pilots.

Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1246119)

Any news as to how much and when? Inquiring wife wants to know.:D

Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1246119)

Any news as to how much and when? Inquiring wife wants to know.:D

Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1246013)

And JB doesn't have DL RASM. We're taking it to them, finally, in NYC and doing quite well. Yet we surrender an absolute crown jewel in BOS, one that is as recession-proof and affluent a market full of perpetual travelers. At least we have AS doing some of our trans cons to compete with JB though. AS CASM must be awesome.

Besides, DL CASM continues to increase because of capacity dicipline and JB (and others) CASM continues to remain lower because we allow them to live in perpetual growth mode. Those lines will continue to diverge in our drive for short term quarterly smash, yet the more the lines diverge the more we will think further capacity reductions are in order. Quarterly bonuses > sustainable business models any day in today's B schools.

Originally Posted by UncleSam (Post 1246123)

Buzz, I understand you are to get an extra large amount just because you are so good looking!:D

Originally Posted by Jack Bauer (Post 1246034)

Hate to be the bearer of bad news my friend but it's only going to get worse from here. Those work rule changes your union keeps telling you are going to make you happy almost always take a nasty turn toward company benefit only, while tanking your QOL, time with family and increasing your fatigue levels.

The recent work rule giveaway (OK we will call it a trade for sweaty cash) and "increased inefficiencies" are about to make a reserves life even more miserable and have a trickle down effect to line holders ability to pick up time and do what they used to enjoy doing in the past. While that is happening guys like SF will be blowing smoke up your behind telling you what a great deal you got. Oh yeah, about that "near term 1000 job increase" your buddy SF keeps talking about, in about 6 months he will tell you "Its the economy stupid". If it wasn't for that darn economy staying down everything would have worked out just as promised.:rolleyes:

I feel you pain. Some day I hope this pilot group fire the misguided incumbents at the top and get some quality long term thinking leadership that work for the pilot group instead of selling nonsense while berating those they are tasked with representing. Until that happens, hang in there....turbulence in your schedule ahead.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1246139)

That leadership is terrible. No pilots on furlough, A contract that is industry leading in the passenger industry. Raises that blow everyone else in the industry away over the last 5 years. Lump sum pots of cash everyone seems to forget about. Planned hiring, 208 new aircraft in the next 4 years. This in one of the worst economic eras in history.
Its funny how I ride a lot of jumpseats to my main job and my hobby job. All I get is barraged with questions on how to get hired at Delta. Very strange. Must be that terrible union leadership!.