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Carl Spackler 05-28-2012 08:56 AM


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1199234)
Nope.

Tell me again, what is it that you do for the Delta pilots?:rolleyes:

Yeah I know. The ingrate doesn't seem to even know who he works for. :rolleyes:


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1198970)
One of the advantages of working for a large union is that your E&FA department...

Carl

tsquare 05-28-2012 08:57 AM


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1199333)
Make that 2014. 1234 had it right...at the TA payrates he'll get 15% of $260-270/hr for 2 years plus additional residual between now and then. That's over $80K on top of his pre-bankruptcy pension even if he works below average pay hours.

He's right...he is a bad example.

I'm guessing that if this passes, the early retirements will come from a more junior group than many would think. Carl gets to keep his DB money (of course) AND he will get an additional.. yeah. It will be interesting to see where the early retirements will come from... my guess is some 777 guys and maybe 2x4s... guys without fully funded DBs...

JobHopper 05-28-2012 08:57 AM


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1199333)
Make that 2014. 1234 had it right...at the TA payrates he'll get 15% of $260-270/hr for 2 years plus additional residual between now and then. That's over $80K on top of his pre-bankruptcy pension even if he works below average pay hours.

He's right...he is a bad example.

I hope you guys are having fun over how much money widebody captains make. There are those of us on the other end of the seniority list who can't even make captain, much less that money, because of the scope clause in our contract. This TA does nothing to fix that. Instead of all this time value of money discussion, how about a scope value of money discussion?

tsquare 05-28-2012 08:59 AM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1199332)

Why do I feel like you're on a ledge getting ready to jump? :confused:

Carl

No, reading your bull squeeze makes me more likely to hurl. For my own sanity, I think I should put you back in the ignore box. I was much happier then.

Carl Spackler 05-28-2012 09:00 AM


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1199220)
Denny,

I've put Carl back on the ignore list,

I'm in pretty good company...the same list that our elected reps are on.

Carl

slowplay 05-28-2012 09:00 AM


Originally Posted by JobHopper (Post 1199341)
There are those of us on the other end of the seniority list who can't even make captain, much less that money, because of the scope clause in our contract. This TA does nothing to fix that. Instead of all this time value of money discussion, how about a scope value of money discussion?

Your statement is not correct.

This TA takes the ratio of mainline-DCI domestic equivalent block hours from its current 1.19-1 to a minimum of 1.56-1. That's a lot more of Delta branded flying being flown by Delta pilots. That's scope value.

Bucking Bar 05-28-2012 09:00 AM


Originally Posted by JobHopper (Post 1199341)
I hope you guys are having fun over how much money widebody captains make. There are those of us on the other end of the seniority list who can't even make captain, much less that money, because of the scope clause in our contract. This TA does nothing to fix that. Instead of all this time value of money discussion, how about a scope value of money discussion?

The way I read it, this TA would improve, but not fix, our concerns with scope. There would be more Delta Captain positions with it than without. Probably about 400.

You see something else?

Check Essential 05-28-2012 09:14 AM


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1199220)
Denny,
I've put Carl back on the ignore list,


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1199343)
I'm in pretty good company...the same list that our elected reps are on.
Carl

Now THAT was an exceptionally incisive retort.
Debate point goes to the groundskeeper.

sinca3 05-28-2012 09:15 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1199318)
You don't get the DC because you have a fully funded DB plan. (Plus some sort of other lump sum payout that I am unsure of.. I heard that from a fNWA 320 captain. I will find out more about THAT and remind you of just how pitiful your case really is) How dare you come on here and act like you have been harmed in this instance. But guess what, you will get the DC 2015. I'll betcha that if you think about that for a little while you will NEVER leave...

Talk about insulting.

Dude....relax!! Go drink some shine or something :D

tsquare 05-28-2012 09:20 AM


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1199344)
Your statement is not correct.

This TA takes the ratio of mainline-DCI domestic equivalent block hours from its current 1.19-1 to a minimum of 1.56-1. That's a lot more of Delta branded flying being flown by Delta pilots. That's scope value.

So with the first tranche of 10 RJs, that ratio can actually go down to 1.1. That is managements plan. They are gonna get 10 RJs, reduce the block hour ratio by .09, and then stop. They win... again.

Gosh we are so stupid. :rolleyes:


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