Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1152362)

That assumes we will pursue a prohibition on all GTF outsourcing. Zero seats if its GTF. I'd be very suprised if that was in there. We mentioned props and I don't think we're aiming to eliminate all outsourced props. I think we just want to get them covered in the existing allowable seat counts and therefore I think that's all we're aiming for with GTF's.

And like I said, if we don't lower the number of allowable outsourced jets, we will never sunset DCI because not only will management never be able to pass up the opportunity to outsource 255 turbofan DC-9-10's, new technonogy will eventually lead to more efficient models even without GTF. There is an entire industry dedicated to designing and building "scope jets" and whatever we allow now will be maximized and shoved down our throats for decades to come.

Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1152386)

Overall, it was a short term gain (from the Pricline stock runup) which then lead to a long term meltdown in the industry pricing power.

Leo taught our customers to shop on-line for the lowest fares, rather than go through a travel agent.

Originally Posted by PilotFrog (Post 1152425)

JFK-EWR
Air Train to Jamaica Station
LIRR Jamaica st - Penn Station
NJ Transit Train Penn Station - Newark Airport (This is the toughest leg of the journey, hard to time the trains that stop at Newark Airport)
Air Train to Terminal B
Says it takes 1:56, but that is assuming you hit the trains right, and that is best case.

You can also do
Air Train to Howard beach
A train to Canal St
Path to Newark (city)
NJT train to Newark Airport ( again this is the tricky part )
Air Train to terminal

JFK-LGA
Not sure, but by public trans you can
Air train to Jamaica
E train to Sutphin
7 train to Archer
Q48 bus to terminal

There is also the Q runner, but not sure how that works.

Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1152353)

While the PBS guy didn't talk about this, the Treasurer did. It was said at the last meeting, in the context of a FPL discussion, that 87 hours was the average pay hours per lineholder. This includes vacation, sick, etc.

Why not inlcude Reserves? I think they should.

At any rate... you got better numbers?

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1152430)

* A comment to Sailing about previous wage increases to other groups. You mentioned that back in the days of C2K when the MTC employess got a 17% rasise after our deal. Well all employee groups are almost back to pre ch11 levels, we are not. Plain and simple.

Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1152475)

And THAT, my friend, is the crux of the argument. And needs to be in DALPA's quiver.

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1152179)

First off, you are a damn liar when it comes to my feelings regarding strengthening of scope... DAMN LIAR.

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1152179)

Second. So then you must agree that the size of the airplane makes no difference when it comes to pay.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1152477)

And that my friend is why I posted it. It's the truth and no one should lose sight of that.

Originally Posted by FedElta (Post 1152197)

Carl,

When you have time, would you explain how the number of hours my butt is in the seat has anything to do with MY productivity as an employee/cost center/pilot of any given airline ? I'm pretty sure a FDX/UPS bubba will generate more revenue for their company than our legacy brothers in a similar crew position.......on a month to month basis, regardless of hard hours flown respectively....I'm pretty sure you know this. Working more/harder does not equal smarter/more productive.

Regards,
BG