MB, cookies on your computer have more to do with the adds you see than anything else. I can be a conspiracy theory guy myself but there is nothing to see here. Stay focused OBI ONE.

Ok. Thanks for bringing me back from the brink, Jack. I'll toss my tin foil hat into the recycling bin for now. :D

Haha we have all been there. It gets so frustrating watching the ALPA shell game playing with our careers and progression while they look out for number 1. Dawning the tin foil hat will happen from time to time.

Have I told you how much I enjoyed taking classes at ITT tech? Ask me more and I can tell you how to save money on airfares with your Sky Miles card!

Yep. You hit the nail on the head, brotha.

It's absolute insanity. We're gifting ALPA our hard-earned money, which they use to:

1) (first and foremost) pay themselves outrageous salaries, benefits, and perks;
2) advocate for and fund outsourced pilot groups who would happily take Delta pilots' jobs; and
3) bankroll a bloated, corrupt, and obsolete bureaucracy that gives not a whit for Delta pilots' careers.

Funny thing is, not even the most strident ALPA supporter can legitimately disagree. they'll try to tell me how valuable the "laywers" and "medical" are...but we can subcontract those ourselves at a fraction of the cost.

It's enough to drive anyone batty. We've got to put an end to this madness.

Does anyone know if "the 80,000 employees of Delta Air Lines" includes the 6,500... wait, make that 1,400 employees at Delta's Comair subsidiary? :confused:

Donald Sutherland was also great in "The Poky Little Puppy's First Christmas".

I was about to start digging into single-engine climb gradients and all that fun stuff...

and then Flyallnite knocks it out of the park with a short, simple, no math answer.

Sailing's assertion that this would be done via MEMRAT is dead on. There is no way that they would just vote amongst themselves and send up white smoke for the peasants to see.

Also, a modification, or extension by all accounts is considered "significant" in nature and therefore must be voted on via MEMRAT.

I have no fear that they would send the to the membership. It means that if we vote for something that many would deem substandard, it is on our backs.

The JPWA modified the current agreement at the time (LOA 51), and LOA 19 (DALPA's JPWA version) was done via memrat.

A policy manual change that involved any change to pay scope or work rules would further solidify it.

Carl, FWIW the JPWA and or LOA 19 were done in negotiations that were not tradational section 6. Both were voted on. Prescience. DO you really think that they want a bad extension on their hands?

They make us vote for it so that we own it.

Ya know, I've looked at that cockpit picture a couple of times. Unofficial vote here. Are we looking at:

a. Part of the line check blitz
b. 2 pilots and a bunk monkey checking the oceanic route in the box

Some guys wear foil hats and some of us had our brains sucked out by alien years ago:D

Ferd